Skins work out JaMarcus Russell (and a bunch of other free agents)

Although it is good that Shanny doesnt let the media dictate his choices, I think he continues to play a fine line between that and doing things driven by ego.

Also his press conference after the game and continual changing of excuses, Kyle's defense of his dad saying they told McNabb he could be benched before the game(which McNabb says he never heard) are pretty pathetic and just lies.

Shanny didnt have to make excuses and his son attempting to bail him out with more potential lies is low. He could have just said I went with my gut because McNubb wasnt playing well. Period. No cardio, no terminology, no injuries etc. Just be real Shanny.

Who's to say McNabb isn't being honest?

Yeah Cerrato is dumbfounded the Skins didnt bench McNabb after he struggled in the home opener vs Dallas.

well i guess my theory was incorrect:


Cerrato says McNabb benching "dumbfounded" him
D.C. Sports Bog - Cerrato says McNabb benching "dumbfounded" him (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/11/cerrato_says_mcnabb_benching_d.html)

Who the F cares about what Vinny has to say? I wish this guy would just go away.

Nothing has ever made me question my commitment to this team till now, I live and die with the Redskins this shit just broke my heart. He's the biggest bust of all time. A lazy piece of shit why the f*ck would you waste your time. We have our QB for this year I would love an explanation.

There's been plenty of rational explanations in this thread.

well i guess my theory was incorrect:


Cerrato says McNabb benching "dumbfounded" him
D.C. Sports Bog - Cerrato says McNabb benching "dumbfounded" him (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/11/cerrato_says_mcnabb_benching_d.html)

I now have confidence in the move!!!

First of all, talent is a "natural ability or quality of a person". Work ethic, is not something like arm strength or pocket presence.

You keep on citing flaws in talent evaluation, but you keep on missing what flaws you actually are citing and not making the actual connection between evaluating Russell and a Romo.

The difference in the flaws regarding Romo, etc were a matter of overstating lack of physical ability and lack of popular media exposure. They had, however, the mental intangibles to QB in the league. Not just from a work ethic, but instincts like pocket presence, etc.

The flaw in evaluating Russell's talent was overstating his PHYSICAL attributes and overlooking his mental areas. . People saw physical talent in Russell. They still do now. They didn't get that wrong.

They WERE wrong that he would have the work ethic to pan out.

As for actual MENTAL TALENTS, like pocket presence, he doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt. It's up to him to prove he actually has the ability to go through his progressions, etc, AFTER shoring up his work ethic, IF he ever does. I'm pretty sure everyone was hollering that he was mentally talented too, but he hasn't verified that expectation either.

I wasn't into football around 2007, but I'm pretty sure a lot of people thought Russell was going to be a sure thing. You're right that people didn't evaluate Russell correctly. Incorrect in the sense that they thought he was going to be any good.


So, NFL scouts missed on Romo because they thought he wasn't enough of an athlete, and he currently ranks 4th best in passer rating all-time. We obviously know they were wrong about Romo.

But, NFL scouts missed on Russell because they thought he was more mature than he really is, and there is absolutely no way they could be wrong about it (now or in the future) because the reasoning is different?


No, they played like they gave a damn when Gradkowski was in there. They still do now. He also displayed a "deer in headlights" way of playing. He took sacks after holding the ball for a long time.


I disagree about them giving a damn due to Gradkowski, but whatever.


You're extremely vague in how this "toxicity" provided such a huge disincentive for Russell to do anything that even his pride of losing the starting job and job insecurity were not enough to provide a counterincentive and start working his ass off.

Vince Young woke up in part because of that and some other reasons.

Incentive has nothing to do with Russell's performance, and I never argued that. Incentive and maturity are unrelated. You are arguing that he had all the incentive in the world, and that alone should have been enough for him to turn into something. I'm saying it takes more than that -- it takes a team.

In the Randy Moss thread I said [jokingly] we needed a receiver named Johnson.

Taurus Johnson will be added to the p/s. Played parts of 2009 with the Detroit & Miami's p/s - waived by Miami Aug. 12th and signed with Cleveland Aug. 16th 2010 - saw no action and ended up playing in the UFL catching 2 td's. Something about the name Johnson & NFL receivers.

So, NFL scouts missed on Romo because they thought he wasn't enough of an athlete, and he currently ranks 4th best in passer rating all-time. We obviously know they were wrong about Romo.

But, NFL scouts missed on Russell because they thought he was more mature than he really is, and there is absolutely no way they could be wrong about it (now or in the future) because the reasoning is different?


You keep on trying to spin it as a "they were wrong". Maturity is not the same as work ethic or skills like pocket presence. Besides, the guy had one of those tougher and touching childhood stories that would make anyone expect him to be one of the MORE mature people out there, not less.

They(or at least Mike Mayock) was right that he had a work ethic concern.

And really, do NFL scouts do this much work for someone post draft? They're busy checking out that next year's draft class. When people are talking about JaFatcus failing or not, it the media and fans on message boards like us.

In the Randy Moss thread I said [jokingly] we needed a receiver named Johnson.

Taurus Johnson will be added to the p/s. Played parts of 2009 with the Detroit & Miami's p/s - waived by Miami Aug. 12th and signed with Cleveland Aug. 16th 2010 - saw no action and ended up playing in the UFL catching 2 td's. Something about the name Johnson & NFL receivers.

Well, we had an Andre Johnson here in the past. :FIREdevil:

Well, we had an Andre Johnson here in the past. :FIREdevil:


We've had several Johnsons through the years, only two were WR's. Joe Johnson and Billy [white shoes] Johnson.