Mcnabb appears to be done and he is the reason for this loss

Swing...and a miss

We'll see! But after watching our QB play in 7 out of 8 games, looks like I'm not the only one that's missing. The Shannys confirmed that by putting in Rex with the game still in reach. Just sayin...

Our offense likes to go deep with play action but when the Lions D-line lived in our backfield all day we were in trouble. From the 1st series on offense our O-line got their ass handed to them by the Lions. Our O-line played like garbage and we need to find a center cause Rabach got Bit** slapped all day. McNabb has struggle in the passing game but when you have Galloway as your #3 WR it should be a crime. You telling me Terrence Austin cant do what Galloway is doing in the offense, which is nothing. We have a lot of work and it will not be fixed his season.

I have no idea if or when McNabb will get his extension, but I can safely say that this team could just as easily have this exact same record with Jason Campbell. McNabb has been on the poor side of average for a big chunk of the first half of the season (rating of 76 and he's thrown more picks than TDs). Also, prior to this year, McNabb has played in the same system for the same coach his entree career. One thing JC is obviously better at doing than DM is learning a new offensive system. He does it every year. And JC is certainly used to running for his life and having no time to throw to mediocre WR's behind a bumblef*ck line.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Jason is a better QB than Donovan. However with this shit O-line and a brand new system, I think don't he'd have us in any worse of a position.

I just wonder if we can get an O-line and receiving corps together in time for McNabb to produce at a high level before age catches up to him. Provided he signs an extension that is.I agree with your conclusions.

I have no desire to defend or detract from McNabb until I see this one again. I thought the QB change was inspired, but ultimately, you could make a logical argument that it cost us our best chance to win the game.

I liked our chances to win prior to McNabb's 4th qtr INT. I didn't think we had much of a chance after we got the ball back down three points inside two minutes. We couldn't get a first down in four downs after the Johnson touchdown, and I kind of doubt that another four downs would have yielded a different result.

Remember, we got dangerously close to bailing out McNabb by forcing a turnover on downs. That TD to Calvin was threaded through tight coverage, but what probably isn't getting enough pub is that it came on a fourth and one play. If we break that up, it's our football.

I don't know how much of it is McNabb's fault or how much of it is on the OL or how much should be put on Galloway (seriously, cut him, and bring up Terence Austin from the PS), and I'd prefer not to lambast McNabb only because "things just weren't working."

This thread is a result of a knee jerk reaction that too many folks in here have over a bad game. The O line had by far their worst outing in protecting the QB, as well as run blocking, and we have known this. Did we reallythink that Trent Williams was going to save us during season 1 of his career? We are 2-3 seasons from being anything special, and to be honest I do not see Donovan being offered an extension ever. Although the line sucks, he hasn't been that great before today's debacle at Ford Field. Two to three seasons guys, get used to it. And if Dan fires the Shanny boys it might be even longer. The entire O line except Trent needs to be replaced, we need an extra WR to compliment AA, and some quality added depth at LB and DB would be recommended. On top of that we need to draft at least one QB in the next two seasons, and maybe another in 2-3 years. In short, we simply do not have the overall personnel to compete for a title yet.

The lack of talent on the O-line has frustrated me for YEARS, but now the sad fact is that we have a scary lack of talent at WR and RB as well. If today was any indication, QB will be a need soon too! Is it realistic to think that Santana, Portis, and McNabb will all be gone after this year? What's left?

McNabb didn't have his best game, but benching him at that critical moment, blaming him and embarrassing him, has "pissing contest" written all over it, and McNabb probably hoped to leave the drama in Philly. I see him in Arizona next season, and the Skins starting from scratch on offense.

The benching was a stupid decision in the short and long term, Im glad the camera panned to Mike Shanny when Rex got his clock cleaned on the first play in.

You know, we can't just put this loss on our offense today. It was a total team loss. Banks made big plays today, and was probably our key standout on the entire roster. But that's not enough. Their special teams made plays too. Their special teams gave them good field position too, and the defense didn't step up and make enough plays to keep them out of the end zone. We could be looking at a different story if Carlos Rogers can get his hand in there on Megatron's 3rd td catch and poke that ball out.

Now granted a fair share of the blame needs to go to the offense, but the majority of the offensive blame goes to the line. I mean really, does anybody on this entire board think Kory Lichtensteiger, Casey Rabach, Artis Hicks, or Stephon Heyer (I'm excluding Brown because Heyer played the majority of series today and Brown still isn't 100% from his offseason injuries) would be quality starters on a different offensive line? I don't think any of them should be starting, and it's painfully obvious if you send 2 rushers at Stephon Heyer one of them will get a clean shot at McNabb.

If you are going to win in this league, you need an offensive line. End of story. I don't think anybody can argue otherwise. Has any team won a Super Bowl when their offensive line can't even give a qb enough time to execute a 5 step drop?

I do think K.Shanny needs to adjust this offense to fit McNabb better. We can't block, so it's natural we either keep more guys in to block, or we start getting the ball out quicker. But getting the ball out quicker won't work if your timing isn't down, and that's one of those things we need to work on in our bye week.

As for McNabb being benched, obviously it was a gut move. To be honest, when my friend asked me if I had confidence that McNabb could lead the 'Skins down the field in the last 2 minutes to score the game winning touchdown, I didn't, and I probably still don't. But I have even less confidence in Rex Grossman to do so, and McNabb, while not playing lights out, still gives us the best chance to win. So we have to live and die by him.

There's no short fix this season. Our offensive line is bad not including Trent Williams, and for everybody on this board wondering where Dockery is, if the coaches believe he's too slow and not the guard they need that fits their system, well we aren't going to see him again, regardless of how bad Lichtensteiger plays. Dockery is obviously bigger and more talented than Lichtensteiger, but if he is a bad fit for our system, he won't get pt, barring injury.

There is a lot of areas on this team that need work. 12thman had it right when he said Shanny has largely been winning games this season by a combination of smoke and mirrors, and getting great performances by individual players. There are some areas where we aren't talented enough to consistently play great (I'm looking at you offensive line), and today we just had a combination of guys that didn't play good football.

We go into the bye week with more questions than answers, and one of those is this unneeded qb controversy because McNabb got benched. It's not even debatable anymore after Shanny has already said McNabb is still the starter. That needs to be squashed because I don't know how someone can believe that Rex Grossman (he of 30 career touchdowns) and John Beck would be superior alternatives to McNabb. You don't think this coaching staff evaluates players? I know if either of those guys played consistently better than McNabb in practice against the 1st team d, McNabb wouldn't be starting.

Things aren't as bad as they seem. This team is 4-4 right now, and I feel we'll probably have a record somewhere like that in the 2nd half of the season, unless our offensive line learns how to block, and McNabb starts clicking with our receivers. At least it's not last year, when losing to Detroit set the precursor to our 4-12 season.

The fact is Shanahan has been doing it with smoke and mirrors all season long. When it worked, it appeared as though we had some sleepers [on the roster] who might be keepers. When it didn't, particularly along the offensive line and at wide receiver, those deficiencies were glaring and obvious.

This Redskins team have one legitimate starting caliber lineman along the offensive front, and that's Trent Williams. The rest of the bums are probably back-ups on most, if not all, NFL rosters. Every single one of them.

From a fan's perspective, the question is has Shanahan and Co. done everything in their power to put this team in the best position to compete and win? On most days, the answer is probably yes. But there have been some head scratchers in terms of personnel decisions along the way: The Haynesworth love hate game. Devin Thomas, if not a bona-fide threat, certainly a physical talent being released in favor of a cadre of training camp rejects. Then benching and de-activating Derrick Dockery in favor of Lichensteiger (or whatever the hell is name is), for what appears to be Dockery either not grasping or fitting the system properly. Sure Derrick Dockery is no Pro-Bowler but, really, you don't even suit up Dockery for the game as you watch the Lions pin McNabb to the turf every other play? The coaches obviously knows what's best, but have some of these moves and decisions come at the expense of fielding the best 53? Truth is we may never really know the answer to that question, but it's a question that must be asked nonetheless.

Thus far this season has come down to some gutsy performances by a very inconsistent, and at times struggling, Donovan McNabb and a handful of all star, individual performances. In other words, the coaching staff, while dramitically better than last year's version, has rarely outcoached the other side this year. It's been all left up to the talent on the field.


That is why I didn't think the newbie poster was so whack with questioning the Shanny's coaching. You don't have to know the people personally, to question their job performance. To be fair to the SHanny's though, this is just a case of trying to fit square pegs into round holes. You don't have linemen that are used to or fit the bill for the new blocking schemes and since you really can't get rid of an entire line roster in one season you have to make due with what you have. That is what the best coaches do, they can tinker with the system to fit the talent they have. Yeah our line is a bunch of bums, but you have to find a way to make it work at least for the 2010 season, til you can get a few more linemen in that fit your blocking scheme. This it is my way(system) or the higway crap doesn't work all too well if your talent pool just isn't built for it. Just ask Rich Rod at U of M. He has loads of talent, but his system has created a one man offense. Don't even get me going on the Wolverine D!!!!!!!!!

17/30, 210 pass yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, 45 rush yards, and we scored 2 fewer points than our highest total of the season (27), but people still want to blame McNabb.

I know stats don't tell the whole story, but give me a break -- we scored 25 points under the most awful conditions WITH McNabb running the offense. We scored more points than 16 other teams that played today, and our 25 points would have been enough to win 6 of the 11 other games that were played today. Take it for what it's worth.

Until they get rid of the human turnstile, aka Casey Rabach, I don't know if we can blame any QB. I am ready to say that Rabach does not belong in the league and I would say the biggest offeason ? of this administration was extending him.

I have been pretty hard on Heyer, but at least he holds his own here and there. Rabach is p a t h e t i c.

I have heard more than once that DM is having trouble picking up this new scheme. I have also heard that Shanny is surprised how slow DM is at picking it up.

It's really not hard to get at all.

1) Get the ball from Rabach
2) Wait for him to get off your foot.
3) Run for your life
4) Throw to a receiver (Not necessary if you run for 35 yds)

I would have pulled KYLE after the long pass on 2nd and (about) 10 on the second-to-last drive. Horrible playcall. You have to leave a reasonable distance on third down so they don't bring the house. A pass underneath would have been a much better call.

I was pissed that they put in Grossman before seeing the result of the play. Afterwards, .....#!?&%$*))%^