AOL Sports: Gibbs Should Have Stuck with NASCAR

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jrocx69
11-30-2004, 10:07 PM
wow, whata bobo

AOL sports, lmao, a warner writer really knows what he's talkin about

BrudLee
11-30-2004, 10:21 PM
It's also the company that writes perhaps the countries leading magazine. Ever heard of Time?
But this guy isn't writing for Time.

Or SI.

Or any legitimate magazine.

He's writing a puff piece for AOL.

Riggo44
12-02-2004, 03:52 PM
:vomit-smi

skinsguy
12-02-2004, 04:30 PM
Please explain how our offense could have gotten any worse! Also, we were in nearly every game last year too.

Number one, nobody knew Mark Brunell was going to play as badly as he had. Number two, nobody knew that the receivers would be as bad with percentage of catches as they have been.
Number three, Patrick Ramsey was not ready for this system, which he showed against the Giants earlier this season and he admitted that himself!
Number four, we have countless number of injuries on our offensive line....and we're playing our back-ups to our back-ups.
Number five, it takes time for an offensive system to iron out all the kinks...much longer than just one season. Even the mighty Spurrier could tell ya his system wasn't flawless..of course the beatings that Ramsey took last year could be proof.


Which speaking of what Gibbs has done for us:

He's brought in an excellent coaching staff..namely Williams.
He's restored more protection for the QB than what was obviously there last year....and it will be more relevant once the starters on the offensive line are together again.
He's restored unity. Last year it was Steve Spurrier and his offense...not Spurrier and the Redskins.
Gibbs' players believe in him.

Yeah, we won't see the full benefit this year. He's in it for the long haul which means it isn't going to be one year and suddenly we see sunny days again. He's having to start from scratch and build a foundation that is going to keep this team strong for years to come. That doesn't happen over night....

Daseal
12-02-2004, 05:30 PM
Number 1: How many people would have gone and traded a 3rd round pick for a guy who just got benched for a rookie and give him an outrageous contract. It's not like we had to rush to jacksonville before people started throwing high draft picks at them.
Number 2: Remind me again, even after 7 turnovers, how close we were to winning that game because the offense MOVED THE CHAINS!
Number 3: I expect mistakes in a new system from time to time. Turnovers and moving the ball is much better than 3 and outs. At least your defense has a fighting chance if they get to take their helmets off.
Number 4: Countless injuries eh? Until last game the countless injuries added up to 1. Wow. Now we have 2. I can't blame the loss of one man on the offensive line as the reason to why our offense can't score a first down occassionally.
Number 5: I agree completely. It takes time to iron things out. However we don't seem to be improving as the year goes on.

Gibbs playcalling has been horrible. All pass or all run. I remember hearing about a billion times this offseason "FINALLY WE'LL SEE SOME BALANCE IN THIS OFFENSE" my question is where's that balance.

Gibbs brought in Williams, I admitted that was an excellent move. I wanted Arizona's ex-HC for D coordinator, and Gibbs certainly made the right decesion.
He restored protection for the QB partially because the QB takes 3 snaps and get's to sit down. We don't have the options to go to this year because we keep so many guys in. We need more protection, but perhaps not go max-protect. I agree having starters on the O line will help because backs and TEs wont have to help double as often.
Unity? You don't think the defense hates this right now? That they are losing attention (and ranking) because our horrible offense can't do a fraction of their job. I'm guessing there are more divides than we see within the team. He has brought a sense of refreshment and optimism. But tell me, what coach comes to a new team and doesn't? Will this team be sick of him within two years?

skinsguy
12-02-2004, 07:08 PM
"Unity? You don't think the defense hates this right now?"

Of course this is YOU saying this and I haven't heard this from the ones who actually are playing ON the team so, yeah, I believe he has restored unity.

Of course any of us on here are light years ahead of proven coaches like Joe Gibbs because we've had years of experience playing Madden football on the playstation...and that counts for alot more than 30+ years of actually coaching football in real life.

BIGREDSKINFAN63
12-02-2004, 07:49 PM
gibbs and parcells are both being toasted in the media,and they are the 2 best coaches in the league.all you have to is look at the 87 strike team that went 3-0 to see how much the game has changed since then.the skins and the cowboys have a better chance now to win than they have had in the last 10 years.if dick vermeil can figure out how to adapt,then parcells and joe gibbs damn sure can.

Daseal
12-02-2004, 08:07 PM
Of course this is YOU saying this and I haven't heard this from the ones who actually are playing ON the team so, yeah, I believe he has restored unity. That's a sentiment that many experts and EX COACHES say they believe is happening. No matter who the coach is players won't come out and say Offense better get it going.

Of course any of us on here are light years ahead of proven coaches like Joe Gibbs Thanks to skinsguy for pointing this out. I know it may come as a shock, but I don't have years of coaching experience under my belt. I will forever stop speculating and giving my opinion as to what we should do, because god knows if you're not an NFL coach you can't add any usefull input to this board.

skinsguy
12-02-2004, 11:34 PM
So tell me which "experts" and which "ex coaches" have stated such? Because I haven't heard such from any.

"Thanks to skinsguy for pointing this out."

Meant to be sarcasm and the rest of the quote should have included "because we've played our Madden football games on playstation"

"I know it may come as a shock, but I don't have years of coaching experience under my belt."

No actually it wasn't a shock at all it was quite obvious. I'm not saying you can't have an opinion, by all means have an opinion, but it just sounds like to me your quite frustrated when some of the rest of us don't listen or believe every word the media spews out of its mouth or that our opinions and faith in this coach isn't formed by what the media says. Sure our season has been rough, but then again comparing Gibbs' FIRST season back to Steve Spurriers SECOND season when he should have improved the team is comparing apples to oranges. I mean so what if we did score a few more points..the team dropped from 7-9 to 5-11 AND Spurrier quit on us. So, with that I would rather have a guy who promises to stick it out through it all and try to get this team headed in the right direction...we might end up 5-11..heck we might end up 3-13, but I promise you Gibbs will improve this team far more than what it has done this year. It might take 'em 3 years, and I for one am paitent enough to wait it out if it means returning us to greatness.

Daseal
12-03-2004, 07:48 AM
For one Jimmy Johnson, JB, Sonny/Sam Huff show on Mondays, and I've heard numbers of countless forgettable guys say it.

Skinsguy: Ever since Gibbs was named coach I was reluctant to say that he's going to be the king of football in this down. When the media was parading that the Redskins were going to the super bowl and this board was so excited that we will finally eliminate mistakes, I stayed cautious like I always do. I hoped Joe Gibbs would take us to the playoffs, and I thought we'd do at least around 500 (hell, right now 500 would put us in the NFC picture.) I'm sure if you ask anyone who remembers my posts around there they also lacked enthusiasm.

The problem for me isn't our record. It's how we've lost the games. Playcalling, clock management, and silly mistakes. I'm not so sure this offense still works, ex-players would say that they would tell the other team where they're going. The defenses are more agile and faster than yester-year and I'm curious if it can win. We have enough players to have a middle of the pack offense.

Now, just because you want to blind yourself with optimism and fail to even see any wrong-doing at all on Gibbs' record then that's your perogative. A few games have been lost by WRs dropping balls, but most we haven't really been in a position to win due to screen passes on 4th and 8 plays. I watch what the media and normally take it for a grain of salt, unless someone who used to play a lot or someone I respect comes out and says something.

I'm not expecting anyone to believe what the media says. I have the ability to form my own opinions, and I hope you do to instead of following Gibbs like a sheep and refusing to look at him objectively.

I also am willing to give any coach 3 years to impliment their system and get it working at a decent rate. If Spurrier didn't get it that year I would have let him have another year. I still think Spurrier was forced out. That little Hey, I didn't quit meant a lot more than I think we realized. I think Joe Gibbs wanted to coach because Coy Gibbs said he wanted to learn the trade. Where else would he go besides here. Atlanta? He'd probably try to trade Vick so he could get someone who makes less mistakes.

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