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30gut 10-20-2010, 01:21 AM Until the pass protection issues are fixed i think the passing game needs to look the way it did on Sunday night.
More quick hitting 3 step drop throws to take the pressure off the OL and get Mc5 in rhythm.
Then as the OL gains confidence and Mc5 gains confidence in the OL start getting back to the 5 and 7 step drops.
Net for the passing game:
-Mc5 should have turned down that slant to Moss
-When the Colts were in man or Cover 1/3 the gave Moss and Armstong huge cushions
the quick hitch or smoke route was there for the taking the entire game
-Wanted to see more downfield Cover 2 beaters
-Want to start working the seams
aceinthehouse 10-20-2010, 01:53 AM The fact of the matter is..We lost 27-24 to a team that could and should have been undefeated last season and represented the Superbowl as well.
They may not still be the juggernaut they once were in those 12-4 repetitive seasons,but they are still VERY good and Manning imo,is the best QB in the NFL and probably ranked top 5 all-time easily.
We also lost the least important game of the big 3 we had coming up,as I stated in my thread.
Colts,@Bears and @Lions.
We want those Division and Conference games and the AFC games are just nice gravy.
Yes,we sit in 3rd place right now at 3-3,but I will take a 2-0 Division record and a 3-1 conference record anytime when going by importance.
I will be happy if we can split with either the Bears or Lions but I hope we beat both.
(BTW...The bears game is the bigger game,in case you're wondering)
please,don't make me explain my genius self...lol
But anyways...We will be in GREAT shape,if we can go into the bye at 5-3 with a 2-0 record and a 5-1 conference record...
Still having a hard time picking the giants/cowboys game...
If the giants win,it helps put the boot on the throat and all but ends the dallas season after 7 weeks...giving them a 1-5 record and 0-2 div. record....
But then giants sit pretty at 5-2 with a division win finally and a 4-0 conference record...That I don't like very much.
But i would almost rather take our chances with the giants and still having 2 games with them coming and staying close to these guys,then allowing any breathing life for the cowboys...
I'm sick of hearing about them all offseason/season and the SB in Texas...
you know?
It would be very nice if we can muster 4 or 5 wins before the bye and they can drop to 1-6 in that same week..lol
GTripp0012 10-20-2010, 01:38 PM If anything Peyton is underrated because too many people think he must not be that good since he hasn't won more than one Super Bowl yet.Preach.
One thing that's clear is that Manning is as great as he has ever been. The Colts as a team have not been as good the past two and a half seasons as they were in the five seasons leading up to that. Same number of super bowl appearances, obviously, but the Colts were once a team that could have lost Manning and still won some games. Manning's still performing miracles, but the Colts are really struggling these days to spank teams that they should spank.
I think we should have led in this game at some point. We hung in there with the Colts and absorbed their blows, which is good, but the Colts aren't the Steelers, Jets, or Titans this year. Those teams are really delivering the blows.
We did beat the Eagles on the road, as luck would have it. That's our signature win to this point.
Peyton is overrated? LOL good one.
JWsleep 10-20-2010, 02:06 PM Thanks, Tripp. I do hope that with McNabb, part of this is his struggle to make his reads in this new offense (his first in 11 seasons) as automatic as they were in Philly. That takes real game repetition, and, of course, enough pass protection to allow him to throw.
SBXVII 10-20-2010, 02:09 PM GTripp,
you said:
Kyle has called two pretty good games back to back, I think. He loves Mike Sellers a little bit too much, and he's dealing with personnel flaws, but I think he's got a better understanding of his personnel than he did in the first four games of the season.
I loved M.Sellers also big frame, muscular, nice weight, and has ran over people, up until it seemed he only would catch 1/2 of what we thrown to him. Is there something else I'm missing? are you refering to personnel flaws as something else or what I refered to?
Let me ask you this.... does it seem like the team has too many weapons and the coach's are unsure when to use each one and how often to use them?
I ask cause Moss gets used a lot in one game. Then Cooley the next. Then Portis. Then Torain. Maybe I'm way off but instead of trying to use the same weapons each week say Moss, Cooley, Torain, AA, and perhaps Davis or Sellers in one game, I get the impression the team is trying to use everyone of it's weapons. Moss, Cooley, Davis, Torain, Galloway, AA, R.Williams, Williams (RB), Sellers and whoever else. Except for those players de-activated. I get the same feeling for the DL. Each week it looks like a different bunch of guys pooled together. I just wonder if players could get into a better rythm if there were not so many weapons.
and I'm one of the fans who has said the team could use all the weapons it can get. So I'm kinda re-evaluating my thought process.
SBXVII 10-20-2010, 02:17 PM ^ I guess what I'm trying to say is it seems like either one person is the weapon of the day or they try to use all the weapons and each week it changes. Perhaps it's because of what they think the opponant will give them but it just seems like they throw to AA and he doesn't get the ball and you don't see or hear from him all game then 4th quarter he makes a catch leaving me wondering where he was all day.
The last 2 games the run has gotten better but it was similar with the run for the first 4 games. Have Portis or Torain run the ball and if it goes no where there would not be another run for several plays if not a couple of possessions later.
One game Cooley got the ball all game, Moss only caught like 2 passes (Houston I think), then the next game you don't hear anything out of Cooley maybe one 1st down.
GTripp0012 10-20-2010, 02:45 PM GTripp,
you said:
I loved M.Sellers also big frame, muscular, nice weight, and has ran over people, up until it seemed he only would catch 1/2 of what we thrown to him. Is there something else I'm missing? are you refering to personnel flaws as something else or what I refered to?
Let me ask you this.... does it seem like the team has too many weapons and the coach's are unsure when to use each one and how often to use them?
I ask cause Moss gets used a lot in one game. Then Cooley the next. Then Portis. Then Torain. Maybe I'm way off but instead of trying to use the same weapons each week say Moss, Cooley, Torain, AA, and perhaps Davis or Sellers in one game, I get the impression the team is trying to use everyone of it's weapons. Moss, Cooley, Davis, Torain, Galloway, AA, R.Williams, Williams (RB), Sellers and whoever else. Except for those players de-activated. I get the same feeling for the DL. Each week it looks like a different bunch of guys pooled together. I just wonder if players could get into a better rythm if there were not so many weapons.
and I'm one of the fans who has said the team could use all the weapons it can get. So I'm kinda re-evaluating my thought process.Well, not all of our weapons are created equal. Moss has Randle El's role in the offense from last year when we are in 3 WRs, and he's got his old role when we are in 2 WRs.
Cooley is having a career-worst sort of receiving year. McNabb has a comfort level with Cooley that he has with no one else, and that causes him to throw balls to Cooley that absolutely should never be thrown. We've never had this kind of barrage of incompletions for Cooley: 17 in 6 games, by my count. In the past, our wasted offensive passes were marginally useful 4 yard completions to the back. This year, they are passes thrown at Cooley that are wasted throws from the start.
We're not using Fred Davis enough and we're using Mike Sellers too much. The playing time of those two players are directly related. Sellers: 19 passes this year. Davis: 9. It's honestly not an excusable use of the strentghs and weaknesses of those two players. My run blocking numbers have Davis as a greater contributor than Sellers fwiw.
I don't think we should use Cooley less often in either the run or pass game, but I think that we need to send him downfield more to get him open. He's good at option routes, but our opponents know that.
Torain has impressed me this season as far as waiver wire players go (runs hard, tough to tackle and such), but I don't think he's done anything to suggest he can be a feature back even in a Shanahan offense. We're missing Portis' productivity. Torain is good enough to make defenses scheme to stop our power running game, but he's not good enough to run the ball 30 times per game with. He's also fairly useless in the passing game.
The team certainly doesn't have too many weapons. Moss and Armstrong are a good but not great receiving duo. The depth behind them is horrible. Fred Davis needs to be playing, and yet, is not. There are no weapons in the backfield except, well, McNabb's arm and legs. Cooley's role in the last four games or so has been pretty uninspired: the focus has clearly been on the receivers.
Anyway, I don't think Davis is a victim of too many weapons. Perhaps just a lack of offensive initiative by the coaching staff since week 2. If Cooley misses this week with a concussion, Davis will get his chance.
BDBohnzie 10-20-2010, 10:42 PM Manning is so overrated. He sucker punches defenses. Without Dungee's defense, he wouldn't have won the big one. There are other QBs, past and present with the skills and leadership attributes equal, if not better than his. They make him out to be the the god. To me, he's just been babied his whole career.
Hilarious. Simply hilarious. Hit happy hour a bit early did you?
I guess that means Dan Marino was overrated as well, as he never got his ring, and you're saying Manning's lone ring was because of Crocodile Dungee's defense. The Colts D was ranked 21st in 2006. The offense was ranked 3rd, scoring the 2nd most points in the league that year. Yes, defenses win championships, and the Colts D got hot at the right time that year, but to discredit Manning completely is ignorant.
In Manning's 12 year career, there have been 3 years where the Colts offense wasn't in the top 7 in overall points and yardage. And only 2 years that the Colts didn't win 10 or more games.
Your equal or better skills and leadership attributes line is intriguing. Please, do tell us who is equal or better than Peyton. According to Pro Football Reference, at this point in his career, Manning's career is closely aligned with guys named Unitas, Montana, Marino, Elway, Kelly and Favre. Pretty damn good company if you ask me...
GTripp,
I frequently shy away from lengthy reading that is as tedious as this....but the level of value here offsets my fears. It is great stuff!
I know it must take take much to prepare and I appreciate it. As much as I try to watch other stuff going on other than who has the football, it is difficult to do while scrambling between bootleg......cybercasts on my laptop. Your weekly post fill in many gaps for me.
Thank you!
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