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JWsleep
11-29-2004, 03:40 PM
Gibbs hasn't been back a year yet. Please give him time to build the stability that makes for a good team. And, by the way, doesn't the defense HAVE that team look right now? Or are they exempt from the anti-Danny rant? Stability means people have been together for a decent amount of TIME. Gibbs has been here for about 10 months. Next year, and the year after that will begin to tell if the skins will be a good team again. They lost some close ones early when the schdule was weaker, and now they are losing (relatively) close games to 2 of the best teams in the NFL. And y'all want to burn it down again. Man. Bill Cowher has been at Pittsburgh 13 years. During Andy Reid's tenure, the skins have had something like 4 head coaches and 5 D coordinators. Now GIbbs and co is back (and Gibbs, I take it, IS the GM), and it will take time for the course to change. But from what I've seen so far this year, I'm encouraged. They are in every game until late. THey never quit battling. And they are getting better, especially now that Ramsey is in there. The worm will turn!

Rant over.

MTK
11-29-2004, 03:48 PM
I wouldn't say the Skins have had an overflow of talent over the past few years, but they've had more talent than their records indicate.

The one constant in the equation has been the constant turnover both in the coaching staff and in the personnel, but both tend to go hand in hand.

I agree with JW, let's give Gibbs and co. some time to make this work.

That Guy
11-29-2004, 04:08 PM
i just wish he didn't go out and get brunell... back in gibbs first era, that would have been a huge waste of money, but now its a huge waste of money that could have been better used to get/pay other players...

bedlamVR
11-29-2004, 05:06 PM
The Skins had a plan it was Spurrier the hero world conquering collage coach who well just up and quit on us. Before that Marty who lost the locker room, went out of his way to upset Snyder and would have turned the Skins into a Marty team like the chargers... great you say? They win a lot of games but like the Chiefs before them lack the spirit to lift them in the playoffs and feature a bunch of players auditioning for other teams next year. Marty is one of the most sucessful regular season coaches and one of the least sucessful post season coaches. Before that we had Norv and Robskie who were one in the same since as much of a stand up guy and Robskie was, all he was was nothing more than a warm body to fill the gap left when, Snyder got fed up with Norv who was well on his way to flittering away another stong redskin start to miss the playoffs yet again like he had done countless times in the previous X number of years.

It was during the following season it might interest those always calling for a GM that Snyder admitted he may have fired the wrong guy between Norv and Charley Casserly but since the two couldn't work together at all and the NFL dragged the sale of the Skins out all the way May 26th 1999, past the draft, past free agency and just over three months to the begining of the '99 season. Snyder neaded a HC more than a GM. CC set us up with two of the best drafts in 1999 and 2000 and gave us the leader in Brad Johnston to take us to the playoffs but also because of the uncertianty re: the ownership we lost one of what could have been one of the cornerstones of the franchise in Trent Green. It is imposible to say where we could have been had the sale gone through quicker had CC stayed here but one thing is for sure Dan had a hand in where we are now but no way is he responsible for everything that has happened.

One thing Dan Snyder has done consistantly year after year though is everything he could do to make the team better you want to support and anti Dan team try the 49ers $50 mil pay roll this year and probably the same next year and the next becasue thier owner puts his pocket book before the team, same with Bidwell and and Cards.... Just a thought.

bedlamVR
11-29-2004, 05:23 PM
When people say we over pay for players what do they meen? Do they meen players are not playing well? Outside Barlow and Brunell who isn't playing well and okay Brunell was a HUGE waste of money. Spings? Griffin? Washington? Tupa? who? Thing is you pay the going rate you pay less and you end up with a wallet load of cash and not the player you wanted. You gamble whenever you draft or try and build through FA this year DESPITE the record we are hitting more than missing. And remember this is year one, we will have to address aspects of our cap this year but we are looking good for the future and rember those teams that were built overnight fall overnight too .

Redskins_P
11-29-2004, 05:28 PM
Here are the players I think we overpaid:

Brunell

Morton

Wynn

Samuels

BrudLee
11-29-2004, 06:10 PM
Here are the players I think we overpaid:

Brunell

Morton

Wynn

Samuels
Brunell - yup.

Morton - probably, but the Morton offer was designed to get us Coles. We knew the Jets couldn't match both offers. We didn't know they'd fail to match either. Anyway, it's hard to ball-bust someone for getting too big a check when they're on IR.

Wynn - I want to hate Wynn every year, because he's overpaid. And every year, he leads the D-line in tackles. Is he overpaid - yes. But look at the numbers from the last three years, and grit your teeth, and hand him the check.

Samuels - for the level he plays at, definitely. But he's working on a deal that was designed to be renegotiated. As a team, we couldn't cut him, and he knew it. By his level of play, and by his negotiating tactics, he isn't making friends in the organization.

I'd add Barrow as a poor signing. I'm aware he is hurt, but he never took a snap for us. How do you miss that the guy can't walk or run without pain? My advice would be to make him climb a flight of stairs to get to his contract. If he has to stop for a break, tear up the deal.

That Guy
11-29-2004, 06:50 PM
morton is still 20x the returner that betts/thrash are... he fair catches and doesn't get blocking often enough, and he is paid too much, but he's also the only real return threat we have.

hopefully barrow will be back next year... and vaugn (sp?) and the rest of our IR bench...
on the other side of the fence, the league said we overpaid for both griffin and springs, and looking back you just gotta laugh at that... springs is under half the cost of bailey, and judging by this season so far, i'd take springs if the costs were even.

Kope
11-29-2004, 07:22 PM
One thing to think about is - Synder has improved every year. Gibbs will help him in the stability department. The last two years Snyder has benn better than anyone else in the league durring FA imho.

Daseal
11-29-2004, 10:41 PM
Kope - I agree. He was a rookie owner and made stupid mistakes. He's starting to understand it and he'll have more super bowls than JKK.

Morton has the ability, but you never see the skins open up a crease for him to get through.

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