When it's all been said and done.

This Thread reminds me of:


YouTube - Coming to America barber shop.wmv (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2onqlccvrRg)

Not arguing a point here, just presenting evidences of two guys who play in the same era who look remarkably identical from a stats persepective:

Drew Brees NFL & AFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BreeDr00.htm)

Tom Brady NFL & AFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BradTo00.htm)

I actually am going to argue a point: if one of these guys should go into the hall, the other almost certainly has to go in. There's no real grounds for drawing a line in the sand and saying "this many super bowl rings required for inclusion."

Montana circa 1989 trumps both. Between '88-'90 he played in 8 post-season games, with a TD-INT ratio of 22-2 and QB ratings of 100 or greater in all 8 games, probably the greatest run of post-season quarterbacking excellence ever.

Montana was a machine during that run no doubt. He certainly has to be right there at the top of any QB list.

Keep in mind it's much easier to say someone is the best ever when they're in the middle of a hot streak. Just this time last year people were trying to make a case for Peyton being a better QB than Brady. Now Peyton is on a streak of games with multiple interceptions while Brady is putting together an MVP worthy campaign. Vick is still the better QB this year but Brady has done enough to give people pause.

Anyway point is we won't know until Brady's career is over.

Manning's OL is in shambles and they have a ton of injuries. He can't do it alone.

Keep in mind it's much easier to say someone is the best ever when they're in the middle of a hot streak. Just this time last year people were trying to make a case for Peyton being a better QB than Brady. Now Peyton is on a streak of games with multiple interceptions while Brady is putting together an MVP worthy campaign. Vick is still the better QB this year but Brady has done enough to give people pause.

Anyway point is we won't know until Brady's career is over.Wait, am I missing something? Has Vick accomplished something that I'm not aware of?

Wait, am I missing something? Has Vick accomplished something that I'm not aware of?

Talking about the 2010 MVP, not the greatest QB of all time. Hence the "this year" part.

The one flaw in Mannings game is he can get rattled. There is something about the chargers and ravens scheme that torments him and it's been that way his whole career not just the last year or two. If you can hit Manning, he will start pressing and throw picks.

Montana was at his best against the legendary Bears and Giants defenses of the 80's.
Montana > Brady > Manning

The one flaw in Mannings game is he can get rattled. There is something about the chargers and ravens scheme that torments him and it's been that way his whole career not just the last year or two. If you can hit Manning, he will start pressing and throw picks.

Montana was at his best against the legendary Bears and Giants defenses of the 80's.
Montana > Brady > Manning

They all get rattled from time to time. Some more than others.
Until Manning finally won his singe Sb title, he had the reputation of not being able to win the big big (championship) game. I think to some extent he does tend to force it in big games that they are over matched. He throws interceptions.
In this generation of QB's I tend to favor Brady slightly over Manning.

One thing to keep mind, that tends to piss the younger fans off, is the rule changes created to promote more passing has to be considered.
When Mantana and the older generation QB's played, receivers were not given the free release after 3.5 yards from scrimmage. This is a major consideratinon. as long as the ball was not in the air anyone was fair game.
Also, throw in the excessive roughing the passer rules and today's Qb's have it a little bit easier then yesterdays qb's.

The one flaw in Mannings game is he can get rattled. There is something about the chargers and ravens scheme that torments him and it's been that way his whole career not just the last year or two. If you can hit Manning, he will start pressing and throw picks.

Montana was at his best against the legendary Bears and Giants defenses of the 80's.
Montana > Brady > Manning

Is there a QB that has ever played the game that doesn't get rattled when facing constant pressure??