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CultBrennan59
10-05-2010, 10:55 PM
Brees is good but not in Manning or Brady's class yet

His story is as great as Brady's. He was picked in the second, did so so, but never great, kinda like campbell for us, then the chargers went out and drafted philip rivers, brees got the message and got comeback player of the year. He went out the next year in his contract year, did great, then completely screwed up his shoulder. That freaked the chargers out, they didn't re-sign him. At that point he went from very attractive free agent to not attractive free agent. Only two teams wanted him, Miami and New Orleans. He went to New Orleans with their whole Katrina thing, and him and Sean Payton turned the saints around they made the playoffs in their first year together, then a couple of years later..well we all know what happened then...Super Bowl!

tootergray34
10-05-2010, 11:22 PM
I'd take Peyton every day of the week. Brady is a total fag

GusFrerotte
10-06-2010, 12:51 AM
So you're going to disregard all of his other stats and accomplishments because of turnovers?

Favre's INT% isn't that crazy. 3.3%.

Here are some others:

Marino: 3.0
Elway: 3.1
P. Manning: 2.7
410

Favre has done a lot, but I still consider guys like Elway, Montana, and even Young better than him.

GusFrerotte
10-06-2010, 12:55 AM
In terms of what. Accolades? Brees has at least a couple: he almost broke Marino's single season record and he played a huge role in having the Saints win the Super Bowl.

One SB doesn't mean a damn thing, plus the team this season looks like it has gone down half a notch in terms of performance. IF the Saints repeat, your boy is up there, but if the Vikes land Moss, they will be the favs in the NFC.

JoeRedskin
10-06-2010, 07:57 AM
Same can be said about Brady playing for Belicheat with Charlie Weis as OC at the beginning of Brady's run. Montana's greatness was his performance in the clutch with the game on the line.

Montana to Clark to beat Dallas in the NFC Championship - iconic moment

Driving 92 yards in under 3 minutes to win Super Bowl XXIII - iconic drive

Brady has won 3 Super Bowls, and had clutch drives to set up game winning FGs in two of those, but I wouldn't say that he's had any iconic moments that will live on in football lore like Joe Cool's.

Well, that was my point. Great QB's playing for the innovative coaches. In fact, the iconic moment you chose is the result of a play designed by Paul Brown and that was a staple of Walsh's West Coast Offense - the Sprint Right Option. The iconic drive was classic WCO - short quick, precision passsing. Montana worked it to perfection. W/out a team schooled in the WCO (receivers and blockers) that drive doesnt happen.

Don't get me wrong, Joe was the maestro, but w/out Walsh, does either "The Catch" or "The Drive" happen? I think not.

SmootSmack
10-06-2010, 09:02 AM
I'd take Peyton every day of the week. Brady is a total fag

Hell of an argument there.

Dirtbag59
10-06-2010, 09:04 AM
I'd take Peyton every day of the week. Brady is a total fag

Really. So we censor words like **** and **** but *** is allowed? What the ****?

MTK
10-06-2010, 09:57 AM
410

Favre has done a lot, but I still consider guys like Elway, Montana, and even Young better than him.

What's 410?

Lotus
10-06-2010, 09:58 AM
I'd take Peyton every day of the week. Brady is a total fag

I'd take Peyton, too. But it is really out-of-place to call a guy who is married to a supermodel a "fag."

SouperMeister
10-06-2010, 10:36 AM
Well, that was my point. Great QB's playing for the innovative coaches. In fact, the iconic moment you chose is the result of a play designed by Paul Brown and that was a staple of Walsh's West Coast Offense - the Sprint Right Option. The iconic drive was classic WCO - short quick, precision passsing. Montana worked it to perfection. W/out a team schooled in the WCO (receivers and blockers) that drive doesnt happen.

Don't get me wrong, Joe was the maestro, but w/out Walsh, does either "The Catch" or "The Drive" happen? I think not.You're giving Montana and Clark too little credit for making a great play. Montana was under extreme duress, holding the ball to the last instant as Too Tall Jones converged and throwing off balance, while Clark made a tremendous catch. As for "The Drive", Montana did convert a 2nd and 20 with a great throw to Rice. The clincher to Taylor was also a great pass. For my money, Montana was the greatest and most clutch QB ever, especially in the biggest games.

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