When it's all been said and done.

I think every generation has a couple QB's who are "Best Ever" material but that, as someone else said, you can never really have a true "Best Ever" given the inability to compare between generations. The game evolves and changes so much that comparisons are just really hard to make.


Is Brady better than Montana? Each were groundbreaking QB's - talented in and of themselves but matched with a coach/system that really emphasized there abilities.

Where does Farve fit into this conversation?

What about Elway? Two SB's, tons of records and arguably the best clutch QB ever (does anyone have more 4th Q winning drives than him?)

What about Marino? No championships, but arguably the greatest pure passer ever to play.

Then of course, there's the old school:

Bart Starr - a guy who wasn't statistically great but, in the word's of Lombardi "just beat you".

Johnny U. - the Peyton of his day (and sporting the uber cool high-tops and crew cut).

Otto Graham? How many championships did he win?

Anyone ever heard of Norm Van Brocklin, Y.A. Title?

And that's not really mentioning the QB's of the 30's & 40's. Okay, I'll mention a couple:

Sammy Baugh - duh.

Sid Luckman - Actually, I think this guy has a real strong claim to "Best Ever". Speaking of innovative systems, he was the first ever T-formation QB (the first real "QB" as we know the position). He had a 8.4 yards per pass attempt average. (Only Otto Graham at 9.0 is better) and an amazing 7.9 TD/per pass attempt percentage (In the modern era, the best are Peyton, Rivers and Romo at 5.6%). Four NFL Championships. Was a league MVP.

In my opinion, there are about 10 QB's who can be discussed in the "Greatest Ever" discussion and I have been fortunate to watch six of them (Peyton, Brady, Farve, Montana, Elway, Marino).

It's a great discussion but, in my opinion, one with no definitive answer.

I would say no simply cause of his turnovers.

I think when talking about the old timers that don't have the stats ask yourself could any of them play in today's game? I think most of them could. Could anyone imagine Sonny in today's game? With all the rules favoring the passing game? Sonny would have video game stats. If you put him in New England's 07 offense he might throw 60 td's.

Brady is certainly in the discussion. I think it's silly to try to name one guy as the best ever though.

I would say no simply cause of his turnovers.

So you're going to disregard all of his other stats and accomplishments because of turnovers?

Favre's INT% isn't that crazy. 3.3%.

Here are some others:

Marino: 3.0
Elway: 3.1
P. Manning: 2.7

Peyton is still better. He just is

How many GREAT GREAT teams did Brady have to beat in his very own Conference?
I'm talking teams that will be talked about 20 years from now?

1? Colts/Manning
Anymore?

How many teams did Joe Montana have to beat during his tenure in San Fran?
3 time SB winners in Redskins
Legendary Ditka Bears and that Defense and the legendary 85' Bears
Parcells Giants and X2 time SB winners with Simms,LT,Banks,etc.

Give me Joe Montana! :)

Brady is a Great QB
Montana is the greatest QB I ever saw! Period!

Peyton is still better. He just is

I would agree.

Yeah I'd take Peyton over Brady. I've always viewed Brady as a really good system QB. I view Peyton as a really good QB who created his own system. In fact at this point I'd take Brees over Brady. Brees is a less physically talented Manning. He's got all the mental and emotional skills that Manning has but with a little less on the physical side. Obviously the mental and emotional skills are pretty damn important because Brees is pretty awesome.

Hard to say who's the best, but we are sure lucky to have been able to say we saw Brady and Manning play

Great post guys, I always love the "Best QB ever " debates..
I think it's hard to name the greatest but Brady is no doubt up there with the likes of Elway, Marino, Montana , Manning Etc..