SouperMeister
09-27-2010, 03:54 PM
So Ace, do you think Haslett is a better DC than Williams? I've seen Williams maximizing the output of his defensive talent both here and in New Orleans. I have never seen Haslett do the same. I would love to be proven wrong, but I thought that Haslett would be the weak link of our coaching staff the day it was announced.
NYCskinfan82
09-27-2010, 04:01 PM
Three games does not make a season, I got a text prior to the game saying the STL lambs score board was counting down the GB vs lambs I thought to myself there over looking us instead we were over looking them. This game against silly we have a chance to steady the ship & get back to 500 or 0 - 0 call it what you will. Our Coach's have to get the players to play better or we won't get anyone to show up for the 2011 pre-season workouts.
HTTR.
Longtimefan
09-27-2010, 04:09 PM
It's difficult for a lot of people to remain focused on the big picture because the team is not losing because of lack of effort. It's an assortment of other things that are easily identifiable, both coaches and players share in the blame.
aceinthehouse
09-27-2010, 04:10 PM
So Ace, do you think Haslett is a better DC than Williams? I've seen Williams maximizing the output of his defensive talent both here and in New Orleans. I have never seen Haslett do the same. I would love to be proven wrong, but I thought that Haslett would be the weak link of our coaching staff the day it was announced.
So far...I would rather have Williams as D-coordinator.
But it's really too early just yet...I thought we did great in Wk-1
But the last 2 weeks have been horrible,so now i just don't know.
This Philly game will be a very good test,because not only are we facing a hot Vick who is very difficult to gameplan against because of his athletic ability and improved passing...but the eagles have very good weapons in Maclin,Jackson,Celek and so on...
Neither Green Bay,the Lions or the Jags have been able to stop or even contain Vick...
This next philly game will tell me a lot about how good haslet is or at least...can be.
tootergray34
09-27-2010, 04:13 PM
we lose in filthy we might as well lose out for aj green!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ruhskins
09-27-2010, 04:13 PM
Jim Haslett is a defensive coordinator who has had some good defenses and some bad defenses - - depending on the talent he had to coach on those defenses. This year, he has middling talent; it is not the worst in the league by a longshot; it surely is not near the best either.
I agree with what you had to say, however this is the part that really gets to me (about this whole situation, and not what you had to say). I feel that the team put themselves in a situation where the defense has no talent, because of the change of defensive scheme.
Right now it seems that the only player that has benefited from the 3-4 switch has been Orakpo (and you can add Lorezo Alexander).
In our 4-3 defense we had a really good DE in Carter, and I'm sure Orakpo would be just as (if not more) dominant if they played him at DE. You throw in Haynesworth in shape and playing his natural position (and Golston as the other DT) you have a monster D-Line in our 4-3.
Among LBs, Fletcher was a tackling machine and played the MLB position (in the 4-3) better than many in the league. I just don't feel he is having the same impact. Rocky has been better in the 3-4, but was a pretty good LB in the 4-3. We needed an SLB in the 4-3, and honestly that probably would have been our only major need in defense.
Laron Landry played out of position in our 4-3, and his play now has improved mainly due to that move to SS.
I'm not saying that I want Blache back, but I just feel that the team really shot itself in the foot by moving to the 3-4 when it really wasn't needed. If we had gotten a new DC (Jerry Gray or lure Mike Zimmer from Cincy as it was rumored). Our defense could have picked up where they left off and along the way try to improve on those issues they had, instead we are now learning a brand new scheme.
This reminds me a lot of the team that went 10-6 under Gibbs 2.0 and then for the next season he decided to bring in a brand new offensive system (Saunders) and we went 5-11 or 4-12 the next season. If it ain't broke (or that broke) don't fix it.
over the mountain
09-27-2010, 04:49 PM
Was carter really good as a 4-3 end? yeah i know he got 11 sacks last year but his total tenure here IMO has been quiet and servicable.
I remember for years he would do the same outside rush move on every play becoming a run defense liability but getting his 5-8 sacks a year on a sack starved defense.
i dont think carter is as good as his 11 sacks last year indicate. I think he is a solid player but nothing great.
Ruhskins
09-27-2010, 04:54 PM
Well let's look at Carter's numbers:
YEAR---TOT---SOLO---SACK----FF
2006----56-----47-----6.0------0
2007----55-----43-----10.5-----4
2008----37-----23-----4.0------0
2009----62-----48-----11.0-----3
Other than 2008, he had very solid years in '06, '07, and '09. His best years were clearly '07 and '09. I just don't think you'll see this time of production out of him in this scheme.
SouperMeister
09-27-2010, 04:57 PM
Was carter really good as a 4-3 end? yeah i know he got 11 sacks last year but his total tenure here IMO has been quiet and servicable.
I remember for years he would do the same outside rush move on every play becoming a run defense liability but getting his 5-8 sacks a year on a sack starved defense.
i dont think carter is as good as his 11 sacks last year indicate. I think he is a solid player but nothing great.Playing opposite Orakpo on a line that includes Haynesworth, Carter would have been good for consistent double digit sacks. In this scheme, he looks lost, but we knew that from his year as a 3-4 linebacker in San Fran.
44ever
09-27-2010, 05:36 PM
we simply do not have the players. We're a 4-12 team that has a better qb, better offensive scheme but a defense that doesn't fit and a tough schedule. 4-6 wins is probably keeping things in perspective.
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