The Official Defense Has Major Issues/Fire Jim Haslett Thread

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skinsfaninok
09-26-2010, 10:51 PM
I disagree but whether he is a bum or not he is the best corner on the team from a coverage standpoint. So we cannot get rid of him at this point.

That's not saying much

SirClintonPortis
09-26-2010, 10:52 PM
Even if we let Big Al do whatever he wants at NT we do not have the linebackers to play a 3-4. I said this as soon as it was announced as the direction that we were going.

The 3-4 is based on linebackers and we are at least an offseason or two away from getting the parts that we need to be effective.

Better earlier than later. We have Rak and Fletch. Just need a run stuffer and hope that Riley kid comes up. It would be a bonus if Rocky fits in well.

Pocket$ $traight
09-26-2010, 10:58 PM
Better earlier than later. We have Rak and Fletch. Just need a run stuffer and hope that Riley kid comes up. It would be a bonus if Rocky fits in well.

It could be argued that Fletch isn't that great in the 3-4 either. He is going to need to be replaced sooner rather than later too.

We are no where close and can someone explain to me why Carter is playing over Chris Wilson? Carter is useless in this defense.

If I knew a synonym for useless that was more accurate, I would insert it to describe Carter.

GMScud
09-26-2010, 11:16 PM
It could be argued that Fletch isn't that great in the 3-4 either. He is going to need to be replaced sooner rather than later too.

We are no where close and can someone explain to me why Carter is playing over Chris Wilson? Carter is useless in this defense.

If I knew a synonym for useless that was more accurate, I would insert it to describe Carter.

Seriously. I think Carter is someone who should be traded before the deadline. He's above average as a 4-3 DE. As a stand up OLB he's pretty much garbage.

mooby
09-26-2010, 11:18 PM
Carter is definitely not a fit for the 3-4 and did anybody else notice how the guards got downhill and were able to get to Fletcher before he could make a play to stop the run? I noticed on several running plays that the guards were quick to get downhill and either chip or block him enough that he couldn't get to the running back.

I probably shouldn't have put the "fire Jim Haslett" part in the title because I'm not on that bandwagon but I figured enough people are already pissed at him that I might as well. My whole point, and the point that several people have already made, is that why does Shanahan say we are trying to win now when we know it's gonna take multiple years to transition to a decent 3-4? Going into the season I had my doubts that we could take last year's 4-3 starters and transition them into 3-4 roles and it looks like that's a big part of the problem now.

So do we just have to sit back and accept that we won't be trying for the division title and that it's going to take multiple years to transition to an effective 3-4, or what? What we've seen so far is an attacking defense that everybody and their mothers' know how to counter, but we haven't seen Haslett adjust to the offenses' adjustments. Either way something needs to be done.

GMScud
09-26-2010, 11:19 PM
It could be argued that Fletch isn't that great in the 3-4 either. He is going to need to be replaced sooner rather than later too.

We are no where close and can someone explain to me why Carter is playing over Chris Wilson? Carter is useless in this defense.

If I knew a synonym for useless that was more accurate, I would insert it to describe Carter.

LOL. So for fun I went to Thesaurus.com and typed in "useless." This is what I got. I laughed pretty hard.

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Pocket$ $traight
09-26-2010, 11:23 PM
LOL. So for fun I went to Thesaurus.com and typed in "useless." This is what I got. I laughed pretty hard.

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Good work Scud. All apply to Carter and our defense in general since we took the 17 point lead against Houston.

CultBrennan59
09-26-2010, 11:35 PM
First off if we haven't hit the panic button already, we definitely did it today.

Hasletts defense would be great if we had either a great NT/secondary, or if we just stayed with the 4-3. I think the defense will improve.

today to be honest we just played bad on both sides of the ball.

and someone asked if theres a dominate NT coming out next year in the draft, and the answer is J. Powe from Ole Miss.

Pocket$ $traight
09-26-2010, 11:38 PM
First off if we haven't hit the panic button already, we definitely did it today.

Hasletts defense would be great if we had either a great NT/secondary, or if we just stayed with the 4-3. I think the defense will improve.

today to be honest we just played bad on both sides of the ball.

and someone asked if theres a dominate NT coming out next year in the draft, and the answer is J. Powe from Ole Miss.

If we had a great NT, FS and 3-4 linebackers we would be in pretty good shape....

Lotus
09-26-2010, 11:41 PM
Seriously. I think Carter is someone who should be traded before the deadline. He's above average as a 4-3 DE. As a stand up OLB he's pretty much garbage.

Several of us argued to trade him last spring while his value was at its highest (coming off 11 sacks). With each passing game, his trade value drops.

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