The Official Defense Has Major Issues/Fire Jim Haslett Thread

Redskins Insider - Phillip Daniels believes the 3-4 can work (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/3-4-defense/phillip-daniels-believes-the-t.html)

So you think Andre Carter is a 3-4 outside backer? Nope. Yet he's one of our best pass rushers. Where has he been? Is Haynesworth a nose tackle? Nope. Is Rocky an inside backer? No. Where is Chris Wilson? Do we even have a true nose tackle? No. Are Hall and Rogers zone corners? No. So yes it's very early but there are just too many indications that this is going to be a crappy defense cause guys seem to be out of position.

If Carter, Haynesworth and Rocky can't learn a new position, a few feet from their previous (which is an oversimplification I know), then they can GTFO. I don't want a bunch of dumbasses out there who play like retards if you dare ask them to stand up, or move inside a bit, or play 0-technique.

But I don't think they're a bunch of retards -- they probably can play those positions. Time will tell.

If Carter, Haynesworth and Rocky can't learn a new position, a few feet from their previous (which is an oversimplification I know), then they can GTFO. I don't want a bunch of dumbasses out there who play like retards if you dare ask them to stand up, or move inside a bit, or play 0-technique.

But I don't think they're a bunch of retards -- they probably can play those positions. Time will tell.

Well Landry never truly learned to play FS, and is doing much better as a SS. And one of the reasons Carter came to Washington was because he wasn't successful as a 3-4 LB when SF changed to that scheme. I think versatility is great, but at the same time you need players that are good at their positions in certain schemes. And save for maybe Orakpo, the rest of our front seven are learning their positions.

Redskins Insider - Phillip Daniels believes the 3-4 can work (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/3-4-defense/phillip-daniels-believes-the-t.html)

Good comment from that article:


If not for the defense, and Hall in particular, the Skins start the season 0-1 to the hated Cowpies. The defense scored more than the offense against the Pies.

So let's [say] defense won the first game and lost the second.

Yesterday, if EITHER the defense or offense stepped up, it's a winnable game. Again, 1 for 10 on 3rd down ain't gonna win many games. Three times deep in the Red Zone, and coming away with 9 points ain't gonna win many games.

Blame the defense sure, but blame the offense too. 1 for 10 on 3rd down against the Rams? Zorn could have done better.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 27, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

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Hall is a good cover corner
Rogers is a good man corner
Orakpo is a good rush outside linebacker
Fletcher is a good middle linebacker
Landry is a good SS
Carriker appears to be decent at end

thats 5 starting defensive players that IMO fit their positions in the 34.

of course we need a NT, which I think will be a priority this offseason as well as more linebackers.

next year we add a NT and some more pieces.

in 2 years, we should be ready to roll out our true version of the 34.

its not going to happen in 1 season, particularly the first 3 games.

Just to build off this I think we need to be clear here that the 3-4 change really only involves the front seven. As far as the secondary goes it's still the same. You're either in man or zone or some combo.

Very true. However, it is also the scheme that dictates DB depth in different situations. I don't understand why our corners are play 7-10 yards off the ball when the blitz is on. It just doesn't make sense and it is not the corners determining how much cushion they are giving.

If Carter, Haynesworth and Rocky can't learn a new position, a few feet from their previous (which is an oversimplification I know), then they can GTFO. I don't want a bunch of dumbasses out there who play like retards if you dare ask them to stand up, or move inside a bit, or play 0-technique.

But I don't think they're a bunch of retards -- they probably can play those positions. Time will tell.

You know it's just not that simple. If you have guys that play a 4-3 better and fit that scheme better than why change it? It's about doing what you do best. As I mentioned before, you don't see Pittsburgh changing their defense around when they hired a new coach. It has nothing to do with being dumb.

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Oh if only this could be an avatar. LOL.

You know it's just not that simple. If you have guys that play a 4-3 better and fit that scheme better than why change it? It's about doing what you do best. As I mentioned before, you don't see Pittsburgh changing their defense around when they hired a new coach. It has nothing to do with being dumb.

Using that logic nobody would ever make any scheme changes. Change is difficult and it's not always going to be a perfect fit initially.