Andy Reid names Michael Vick as team's starting quarterback

If you thought you could win with either, you'd probably want to play Kolb. If you thought you were screwed with either, you'd probably want to play Kolb.

Like i said in my previous post, what if they don't agree with either of your above scenario's?
What if they think we can win now with Vick but cannot win now with Kolb, although they still have faith in him.

I'm not exactly sure what playing Michael Vick does for the Eagles.
They may believe he gives them a chance to be competive now (in a weak NFC East) that Kolb doesn't due to youth and OL issues.
I would trust Andy Reid with any quarterback conundrum to do the right thing, but believing in Mike Vick as a long term QB solution is just beyond the level of risk tolerance I would demonstrate as a high-stress decision maker. There's just limited evidence that Vick can be a useful cog in a passing offense.

I think the gamble that Reid is taking is wether or not Vick has developed as a passer. And if Vick has indeed improved as passer then his past performance isn't an indicator of his future performance.

Even from Reid's perspective, this is a highly speculative move. It's a complete 180 from the McNabb trade, which was just a big age-risk dumpoff on the Redskins.

We never really know the reasoning behind McNabb being dealt, i think it was more or less forced on Reid.
Also, we have to consider that Reid himself didn't know how far Vick had progressed until he saw him play something other then wildcat in a real game.

Maybe i'm not the football expert, but other than hurt feelings of Kevin Kolb, why isn't Vick a viable long-term solution for the Eagles at QB?

He is 30 years old, healthy, seems to have changed his ways and is now a pass-first QB, who runs as a last result. This is the exact opposite of his time in Atlanta.

He has had 2 years to rest, and has not abused his body. Still has an absolute rifle arm. Why is it so unthinkable that he could be Philly's starting QB for the next 5 seasons, maybe even more???

To me it's pretty obvious what Vick does for the Eagles right now. They're having OL issues and he's much more mobile than Kolb, Vick is playing out of his mind, what else is there to say?

I sure as heck would feel a lot better about playing the Eagles with Kolb in there than Vick.

2 years' rest or 2 years' setback from being out of the game? Could go either way.

We'll find out soon...the Lions aren't a big test.

I'm thinking it was what they'll get from Vick...AND an upgrade over Kolb.

Maybe i'm not the football expert, but other than hurt feelings of Kevin Kolb, why isn't Vick a viable long-term solution for the Eagles at QB?

He is 30 years old, healthy, seems to have changed his ways and is now a pass-first QB, who runs as a last result. This is the exact opposite of his time in Atlanta.

He has had 2 years to rest, and has not abused his body. Still has an absolute rifle arm. Why is it so unthinkable that he could be Philly's starting QB for the next 5 seasons, maybe even more???The logic is simply:

1. He wasn't a viable long-term QB option age 21-29 for many different reasons;
2. Quarterbacks, as a general group, aren't viable ages 30-36;
3. An exception (meaningless here) to #2 includes those QBs we were viable between 21 and 29;

Conclusion: Vick probably isn't viable between ages 30-36.

There are always exceptions to every rule, but those exceptions aren't based on being passable for two games.

To me it's pretty obvious what Vick does for the Eagles right now. They're having OL issues and he's much more mobile than Kolb, Vick is playing out of his mind, what else is there to say?

I sure as heck would feel a lot better about playing the Eagles with Kolb in there than Vick.In a way, playing Vick now sort of defers the ultimate judgment on Kolb to a day where the Eagles are more prepared to enjoy success with him. That was certainly a factor in this decision.

But with Vick in the final year on a backup's salary, there certainly is some idea here for Reid that Vick is the guy long term. To the point where he's willing to possibly never see what he had in Kolb. All of this is just very sudden and surprising. I'm not sure he's wrong, either. It just seems like, in the wake of the McNabb decision, the Eagles have completely 180'ed the direction of their organization.

Historically, the Eagles have been so stable that this decision doesn't strike me as anything but surprising. The Raiders? Yeah, you'd expect this. Not the Eagles.

In a way, playing Vick now sort of defers the ultimate judgment on Kolb to a day where the Eagles are more prepared to enjoy success with him. That was certainly a factor in this decision.

But with Vick in the final year on a backup's salary, there certainly is some idea here for Reid that Vick is the guy long term. To the point where he's willing to possibly never see what he had in Kolb. All of this is just very sudden and surprising. I'm not sure he's wrong, either. It just seems like, in the wake of the McNabb decision, the Eagles have completely 180'ed the direction of their organization.

Historically, the Eagles have been so stable that this decision doesn't strike me as anything but surprising. The Raiders? Yeah, you'd expect this. Not the Eagles.

Yeah I don't think the Eagles were counting on this, but plans can change in an instant when someone plays well enough I guess. But it's not exactly a bad spot to be in, let's say Vick plays himself into a nice new contract with the Eagles, Kolb will have plenty of teams willing to give up a decent draft pick for him in a trade.

Yeah I don't think the Eagles were counting on this, but plans can change in an instant when someone plays well enough I guess. But it's not exactly a bad spot to be in, let's say Vick plays himself into a nice new contract with the Eagles, Kolb will have plenty of teams willing to give up a decent draft pick for him in a trade.Decent enough to trade him and test the backup market for someone who would, inevitably at some point, become a major part of their offense?

Even if Vick does play at a much improved level, it seems impossible to think he would suddenly turn into a guy who doesn't miss any time. Even the Falcons had a developing Schaub behind him.

What kind of return would Kolb have to bring to make him worth giving up? Something like McNabb brought, at least, I would think. And who would do that in the same year that McNabb set the market?

Decent enough to trade him and test the backup market for someone who would, inevitably at some point, become a major part of their offense?

Even if Vick does play at a much improved level, it seems impossible to think he would suddenly turn into a guy who doesn't miss any time. Even the Falcons had a developing Schaub behind him.

What kind of return would Kolb have to bring to make him worth giving up? Something like McNabb brought, at least, I would think. And who would do that in the same year that McNabb set the market?

So I'm guessing you would have gone back to Kolb?

Do you think this was really Reid's call? I'm kinda thinking it wasn't. Along the lines of dealing away #5.

I'll bet Kolb will garner the interest of quite a few teams.

Minny, for one, as Favre may be gone. It would be hilarious to see Childress's draft love(Tarvaris) vs. Fat Andy's.

Oakland...just because...

Bills... but Ralph Wilson is a little flakey.

Carolina...Just in case

Arizona...Derek Anderson is not a long-term answer

Browns...longshot according to my intuition.

Jacksonville: David Garrard, hmm, yes, David Garrard. Who is he again?