DWOC's International Burn a Koran Day

Come on, think big, think First Emperor of the United States of America!

The first emperor of the United Empire! When do u disband the senate?

Well, I am not generally an advocate of such things but if we did, would muslims then conclude that it was just a small violent faction of Americans responsible and not the majority who are peace loving?

Who gives a shit? Do we lower our standards because "that's what them damn muslims do..?" Of course not. I don't particularly love any culture that basis itself upon religion, especially when said religion involves placing wholly illogical restrictions and consequences on my favorite 50% of the population, but- This whole "I don't like you so I'll burn something you feel is important" thing is juvenile at best. What adult that you know converses in such a manner? Of course, the undeveloped mind does tend to flock to this sort of thing. It's not like this is a group of Rhodes scholars we are talking about.
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BTW.......it's Quran
not Koran as in Korea

It has been transliterated in several different forms, your example being one of them. I believe that the most "accepted" as far as beliefs/accuracy goes is "Qur'an" but I could be mistaken.

lol @ Koran as in Korea.. where were you going with that?

BTW...Quran is one of the currently accepted spellings of the Koran....allegedly.

It has been transliterated in several different forms, your example being one of them. I believe that the most "accepted" as far as beliefs/accuracy goes is "Qur'an" but I could be mistaken.

lol @ Koran as in Korea.. where were you going with that?


Add one "e" and it's "Korean" maybe? Side note, Firstdown spells Quran with at least two f's, one z and possibly a j.

yeah lol just figured if he thought that was our mixup it was very obvious.. or no reason to really post it as most of us know how to spell Korea.. maybe he thought that we thought that it was Qurea or something

I believe firstdown spells Quran "blazfimmy!"

Who gives a shit? Do we lower our standards because "that's what them damn muslims do..?" Of course not. I don't particularly love any culture that basis itself upon religion, especially when said religion involves placing wholly illogical restrictions and consequences on my favorite 50% of the population, but- This whole "I don't like you so I'll burn something you feel is important" thing is juvenile at best. What adult that you know converses in such a manner? Of course, the undeveloped mind does tend to flock to this sort of thing. It's not like this is a group of Rhodes scholars we are talking about.
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You bring up an interesting point about adults behaving like juveniles, because as it pertains to religion, logic and rationalization tends to be suspended in favor of raw emotions, usually fear and anger, and feelings. There's nothing logical about burning a Quran. And there's nothing sane about running two commercial line planes into the Twin Towers either, although the men who comitted the act were college educated. But Marx was certainly on to something when he said "religion is the opiate of the people".

What we have here is a classic example of extremism vs. absolutism. In both cases, the actions of a fringe element don't properly represent or reflect the values and teachings of the respective religions. Islam has been so westernized and politicized following the events of 9/11 that most Americans really don't know what the Quran actually teaches or to whom it applies. So just as it's wrong to condemn one religion with a vile and dispicable act, I also believe it's wrong to throw out the baby with the bathwater and say that all religion is evil because of the actions of a minority. I guess one could also make an argument about the difference between faith and religion, but I'm not here to fight that battle, nor do I care to.

BleedBurgundy, the entirety of my post wasn't directed at you. Just some general sentiments of my own mixed in there.

Keep in mind I said the 35-40% was NOT the percentage that would actually become jihadists, but that support Fundamentalist Islam (sharia, etc).

This Pew poll towards the bottom has a section with % that support or justify suicide bombing.

Obama More Popular Abroad than at Home, Global Image of U.S. Continues to Benefit - Pew Research Center (http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1630/obama-more-popular-abroad-global-american-image-benefit-22-nation-global-survey?src=prc-latest&proj=peoplepress)

This report from U of MD (Testudo Rules) is pretty interesting in the support for violent acts against civilians is fairly low (however estimating 5% of 1.2B Muslims worldwide is 60M, that's a large amount of potential jihadists), but what is concerning is the percentage that would impose strict sharia law. The Brookings Institute also had a hand in this, so it's not from Fox or Heritage :silly:

Printable Version (http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/incl/printable_version.php?pnt=346)

I looked through the poll and it seems quite interesting...the summary combines suicide bombing "often justified and somewhat justified" responses but the full report doesn't (http://pewglobal.org/2010/06/17/obama-more-popular-abroad-than-at-home/8/) (there are really eye catching oddities in the responses which they touch on).

If you ask Americans in a broader context outside of Islamic terrorism as to whether suicide is ever justified I am sure you will get some takers. The real issue is whether the killing of civilian is ever "somewhat justifiable" and to this I point to you the views of most Americans on dropping two H-Bombs on Japan or their views on collateral damage... they are necessary evil.

Given the level of mistrust and apprehension of the United States and Israel and hopelessness in the face of their mighty armies you are more likely to see support for suicide bombing in these countries than you would in the west. As for suicide bombing itself it is not a fundamental part of Islam as some would have us believe; it is a nothing more than a desperate act that is justifiable by anyone (see Japanese kamikaze pilots).


Now as to Sharia law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia), it's a broad subject matter that spans cultures and multiple facets of Islam. There is more to it than you hear on the radio and tv which is too often washed down to make it appear more sinister than it is (picky and choosy while ignoring the similarities to the old testament). Like the biblical scripture the Qur'an is open to interpretation and each culture/society makes its own laws based on what it thinks the holly book tells it (the Turks are very lax while the Saudis are very strict but not as super crazy strict as the Taliban). Just because you find Sharia law appealing it doesn't mean there is something wrong with you and one can equate these people to American Conservative Christians.

Sharia can be divided into five main branches: ibadah (ritual worship), mu'amalat (transactions and contracts), adab (morals and manners), i'tiqadat (beliefs), and 'uqubat (punishments).

Add one "e" and it's "Korean" maybe? Side note, Firstdown spells Quran with at least two f's, one z and possibly a j.

Its chourann. Its funny now the president is getting involved.:laughing2