Redskins and Titans talking trade again on Albert Haynesworth


tryfuhl
09-15-2010, 08:10 PM
I have been wondering why we let Howard Green go. He played in almost every game last year (as a role player) for the best defense in the NFL last year but was beaten out by Kemo (who is terrible) and Bryant who can't be that good if he hasn't beaten out Kemo.

I haven't gone back and watched the games from the preseason to focus on who was playing when and where and vs whom but I thought that Bryant looked the best out of the 3 (Kemo and Haynesworth being the other 2). He was getting a push and occupying defenders.

Pocket$ $traight
09-15-2010, 08:15 PM
I haven't gone back and watched the games from the preseason to focus on who was playing when and where and vs whom but I thought that Bryant looked the best out of the 3 (Kemo and Haynesworth being the other 2). He was getting a push and occupying defenders.

I know Kemo has been an outstanding locker room presense but he just isn't getting it done and hasn't gotten it done since he has been here. I forget who posted the link on how Achilles injuries end a lot of NFL careers and result in the player never reaching their previous performance sums Kemo up for me. His best days are done. I think you can look at Jansen and easily argue that he never was as good after his achilles went out.

SirClintonPortis
09-15-2010, 08:16 PM
I have been wondering why we let Howard Green go. He played in almost every game last year (as a role player) for the best defense in the NFL last year but was beaten out by Kemo (who is terrible) and Bryant who can't be that good if he hasn't beaten out Kemo.

He looked like he was out of shape, although it could be he's just naturally not very fast.

Pocket$ $traight
09-15-2010, 08:17 PM
It's really easy to take a bad angle in the open field when you're running in from 25-30 yards off of the LOS and the guy you're targeting and yourself are approaching full speed or already there, especially when there's lateral movement as well. Not to say he played to potential last year, but a large portion of what we saw vs Dallas was due to proximity.

I think those 10-15 yard cushions that were commonplace under Blache contributed to Landry's problems too. The wideout with that cushion is going to be close to full speed when the corner or safety comes up to make a play. Automatically being "in space" results in them being able to put a better juke move on a would be tackler. Just my .02

Pocket$ $traight
09-15-2010, 08:18 PM
He looked like he was out of shape, although it could be he's just naturally not very fast.


How many 365 pounders are "in shape"? ;-)

SirClintonPortis
09-15-2010, 08:22 PM
How many 365 pounders are "in shape"? ;-)

Back to 2008. Ngata vs. Shaun Rogers. Basically, it seemed that the plan was to tire out the NT. Rogers tired out near the end of the game, Ngata did not.

Pocket$ $traight
09-15-2010, 08:31 PM
Back to 2008. Ngata vs. Shaun Rogers. Basically, it seemed that the plan was to tire out the NT. Rogers tired out near the end of the game, Ngata did not.

Both of those guys are head and shoulders ahead of our NTs. Ngata is one of the best d-linemen in football and Rogers is up there too.

skinsfan69
09-16-2010, 08:43 AM
Do you think he forgot how to play football in one offseason? They guy was one of the best D-lineman in football for the past 3-4 years. He was maybe short of great for us last year (when on the field) proof is in the fact that Carter had career high in sacks, orakpo as a rookie had 11 sacks. The guy didn't forget how to play. yeah his attitude has sucked, and I was pissed just the same as everyone else. But like I said previously, he is the most talented big man up front we have, and according to MOST if not ALL of the NFL people one of the most talented in all the NFL. I just think it is more personal than anything else right now. We all know that if they put him on the end and let him play the DE position everyone would be happy. But they keep lining him up at NT just to piss him off. You can't tell me that he isn't better than Gholston, better than Adam Cariker, Better than Holliday....come on lets get real. He is better than all those dudes and you know it. They players are getting tired of all the shit too. McNabb, Cooley, Daniels, all leaders of the team are stepping up for Albert, saying they are behind him 100%. Far cry from what everyone was saying during the offseason.

:lol:......yeah right. So tired of people saying this cause it's anything but the truth. AH missed 4 games and a lot of those sacks came when his out of shape ass wasn't on the field.

#56fanatic
09-16-2010, 10:55 AM
:lol:......yeah right. So tired of people saying this cause it's anything but the truth. AH missed 4 games and a lot of those sacks came when his out of shape ass wasn't on the field.

That is your opinion. Fact is when he was on the field whether it was Tennessee or Washington the DE had more sacks. That sir is a fact. Go look it up. Andre Carter never had 11 sacks in one season. And to point another fact out, AH played the 2nd most snaps along the D-line than anyone on the team. Carter having played the most. So, make sure you have facts, not opinions here.

#56fanatic
09-16-2010, 10:57 AM
Yeah, it definitely changes from play to play, but you've gotta have an end who is willing and able to do both.

With AH at end, always shooting the B gap, you'd have to keep a LB responsible for the C gap on every play, which kinda defeats the purpose of the 3-4 IMO. In the end, you have to have linemen that will play 2 gap when needed, and AH won't, so moving him to DE doesn't help the situation.

You know, i just dont understand why this keeps coming up. Like I previously stated, if Haslett or the D line coach didn't want him doing the gaps, then why the hell did he continue to play?? it doesn't make much sense if you ask me. If he continued to do the wrong thing over and over, then he would have been taken out. Obviously he was doing what coaches wanted him to do.

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