Redskins and Titans talking trade again on Albert Haynesworth

Dude, it IS his ****ing team. These goddamn prima donna players think they can do what's best for themselves all the time, holding out, play when they want, run some routes, not others... You need a coach like Shanahan, Belichick, etc that's got the balls to put the team first and sit these clowns down.

Imagine that, a coach running the show.

Honestly, I think Shannahan is just running this crap into the ground. According to the players, they stand behind AH and i think they are just getting tired of all this crap. He is the best D-lineman we have. I dont care what anyone says, he is our best. Just put the shit behind us, line him up at DE and let the dude play. all this stuff is just hurting the team. He is truly ready to play the DE position and go. why they keep messing with his head and putting him in on only 16 plays and doing the NT thing is absolutely mind boggling. Shanny's ego is that big?? This just needs to be squashed, play the man at DE and lets have a dominant D and let AH see how dominant he can be. And when he see's this maybe next year (if he's still here) wont be that big of a deal.

The man is a beast. So you have to stroke his ego a bit, but I think all this "it is my team, and you'll do what i tell you to" stuff from shanny is just getting old.

Apparently he's not committed to practicing. Bottom line is: he doesn't work hard. What kind of message would it send to the others who work harder, if they are benched in favor of AH?

In any case, he's wants to shoot gaps, not tie up blockers, and 3-4 linemen need to tie up blockers.

Yes they play a 3-4.

Why would they want a guy that hates playing in 3-4 defense and is obviously not motivated to play?

Dude, it IS his ****ing team. These goddamn prima donna players think they can do what's best for themselves all the time, holding out, play when they want, run some routes, not others... You need a coach like Shanahan, Belichick, etc that's got the balls to put the team first and sit these clowns down.


I am not saying what AH is right, at all believe me. I was one of the ship his ass out, or bench him for the rest of the contract. But, i just think this has gone way too damn far. I just think now its about making him look bad than anything else. I understand its HIS team, and I like shanny, but this seems to be more personal than anything related to his "football" ability.

I don't know how you define "best", but it sure ain't AH. That is one un-inspired mo'fo right now. Truth is if you can't inspired over $21 mil in the bank, you're going to suddenly turn it on in a system that suits you and click back into Pro Bowl form? I think not. And I'm guessing most of the GMs in the NFL are thinking the same thing.

We can beat this Haynesworth drum until the cows come home, but his value has plummeted like a bad penny stock. All this talk about him being a beast, he's dominate, he's this and that. Puh-lease, give me a break.

Dominant is what dominant does.

No one cares what you did in the NFL yesterday. The NFL is all about right now.

Do you think he forgot how to play football in one offseason? They guy was one of the best D-lineman in football for the past 3-4 years. He was maybe short of great for us last year (when on the field) proof is in the fact that Carter had career high in sacks, orakpo as a rookie had 11 sacks. The guy didn't forget how to play. yeah his attitude has sucked, and I was pissed just the same as everyone else. But like I said previously, he is the most talented big man up front we have, and according to MOST if not ALL of the NFL people one of the most talented in all the NFL. I just think it is more personal than anything else right now. We all know that if they put him on the end and let him play the DE position everyone would be happy. But they keep lining him up at NT just to piss him off. You can't tell me that he isn't better than Gholston, better than Adam Cariker, Better than Holliday....come on lets get real. He is better than all those dudes and you know it. They players are getting tired of all the shit too. McNabb, Cooley, Daniels, all leaders of the team are stepping up for Albert, saying they are behind him 100%. Far cry from what everyone was saying during the offseason.

Apparently he's not committed to practicing. Bottom line is: he doesn't work hard. What kind of message would it send to the others who work harder, if they are benched in favor of AH?

In any case, he's wants to shoot gaps, not tie up blockers, and 3-4 linemen need to tie up blockers.

I'll respond to all of these i guess. he is committed. We can argue this point back and forth. But he was putting in extra time with the coaches after practice learning the defense. He was putting in extra time in film. He was, according to the players, embrasing the DE postion and doing his best to learn it. I am guessing he was doing what they were asking him to do, as far as shooting the gaps because he did it over and over and over again. In my opinion, if that was wrong, he would have been pulled out rather quickly and not put back on the field. If you argue that point, then it goes against all the arguements of Shanny busting AH ass everytime he screws up.

I am not saying what AH is right, at all believe me. I was one of the ship his ass out, or bench him for the rest of the contract. But, i just think this has gone way too damn far. I just think now its about making him look bad than anything else. I understand its HIS team, and I like shanny, but this seems to be more personal than anything related to his "football" ability.

Obviously, we have no idea what is said between them, but do you remember that shot of the sideline when Haynesworth was 20 feet away from the defense? It looked liked all starters and some backups were surrounding haslett trying to understand things when they had time and Haynesworth wasn't anywhere near it.

Let's be honest: Haynesworth has not done ONE RIGHT THING to earn to get back on the field. I just don't think Shanahan has seen anything that says "let's put him out there."

Conditioning was going to be huge this year. We've heard some whispers how camp has been easy under Zorn and Shanahan wanted people to be in shape. Haynesworth messed around with that big time. Then, when he's playing against scrubs, a perfect time to dominate and show he's ready, he sluffs for the 45 out of 50 plays or whatever it was. How can you trust them?

It's like when Lavar Arrington wanted to just freelance instead of playing a defense. Great talent, but is it worth having that risk on the field? I would much rather have 11 people playing the defense as planned.

I ask you, what has Haynesworth done to deserve to play? Clinton Portis showed up, shut up, got in great shape. McNabb did the same thing. Hell, probably 95% of the team did everything that was asked of them.

Honestly, I think Shannahan is just running this crap into the ground. According to the players, they stand behind AH and i think they are just getting tired of all this crap. He is the best D-lineman we have. I dont care what anyone says, he is our best. Just put the shit behind us, line him up at DE and let the dude play. all this stuff is just hurting the team. He is truly ready to play the DE position and go. why they keep messing with his head and putting him in on only 16 plays and doing the NT thing is absolutely mind boggling. Shanny's ego is that big?? This just needs to be squashed, play the man at DE and lets have a dominant D and let AH see how dominant he can be. And when he see's this maybe next year (if he's still here) wont be that big of a deal.

The man is a beast. So you have to stroke his ego a bit, but I think all this "it is my team, and you'll do what i tell you to" stuff from shanny is just getting old.

I don't know man, I kinda agree with you. He may be the best DE but if he does not fit our scheme then he looks avarage. I know a lot of people are saying he lets just get rid of him or take what we can get for him but I don't see it that way. Lets say you purchased an expensive car, after the period at which you can return it you realize it does not fit your life style, do you just give it away? No, you gunna want to try and get some type of return on the thing or atleast enough to pay off the loan.

The problem is AH looks bad as a NT and we keep saying he looks awsome and does anyone want him. The rest of the league is laughing at us knowing AH's fat body can only hold up for about 6-8 plays before he gets too tired. Also we are limited as to who to trade with cause of teams using the 3-4 scheme. We have to look at which teams are using the 4-3 and hope one of them makes a play or needs a DE, otherwise we should just take him out of the NT spot and put him in at DE with Daniels. Hope he plays good enough for other teams to get interested and offer more then a 4th or 5th rounder. At this point I'd rather sit him on the bench after he took DS's 21 mill vs. trading him for nothing.

I'll respond to all of these i guess. he is committed. We can argue this point back and forth. But he was putting in extra time with the coaches after practice learning the defense. He was putting in extra time in film. He was, according to the players, embrasing the DE postion and doing his best to learn it. I am guessing he was doing what they were asking him to do, as far as shooting the gaps because he did it over and over and over again. In my opinion, if that was wrong, he would have been pulled out rather quickly and not put back on the field. If you argue that point, then it goes against all the arguements of Shanny busting AH ass everytime he screws up.

thats what im interested to know. unless haslett or someone else with knowledge of the scheme speaks out, i think the fact that they left him in there is circumstantial evidence that shooting gaps was his job description.

of course, general duties of a NT is to take on blockers and not try and shoot past the center and guard.

i really wanna know the answer.

Obviously, we have no idea what is said between them, but do you remember that shot of the sideline when Haynesworth was 20 feet away from the defense? It looked liked all starters and some backups were surrounding haslett trying to understand things when they had time and Haynesworth wasn't anywhere near it.

Let's be honest: Haynesworth has not done ONE RIGHT THING to earn to get back on the field. I just don't think Shanahan has seen anything that says "let's put him out there."

Conditioning was going to be huge this year. We've heard some whispers how camp has been easy under Zorn and Shanahan wanted people to be in shape. Haynesworth messed around with that big time. Then, when he's playing against scrubs, a perfect time to dominate and show he's ready, he sluffs for the 45 out of 50 plays or whatever it was. How can you trust them?

It's like when Lavar Arrington wanted to just freelance instead of playing a defense. Great talent, but is it worth having that risk on the field? I would much rather have 11 people playing the defense as planned.

I ask you, what has Haynesworth done to deserve to play? Clinton Portis showed up, shut up, got in great shape. McNabb did the same thing. Hell, probably 95% of the team did everything that was asked of them.


I dont think you have read/heard the latest. That little meeting was not D-Lineman. its was LB's and DB's. You can see other D-lineman sitting on the bench, not far from where AH was standing. portis even pointed that out in an interview yesterday. They are trying to single out everything AH does right now, which is expected. What has Haynesworth done to deserve to play? some people say nothing, some people say everything they have asked him to do. Work longer after practice, longer film study, extra work in the weight room. There were some whispers going around that said a lot of the players (bigger dudes) couldn't have done that test. The fact is, i think it was made up for him to fail. So they could hummiliate him a little bit each day. He doesn't trust them, they dont trust/like him. But, here is the deal. About 2 months before training camp started he was in contact with Haslet, learning the D, doing what he needed at home. They said he would play the DE spot, which he started to become excited about. Now he is playing NT, so I would probably be a little p'd too.