Redskins and Titans talking trade again on Albert Haynesworth

Well, it would have been easier to get that in July or early August instead of this week. For instance, we could have gone after Aubrayo Franklin of the 49ers, who has 3-4 experience. Or get someone else in here to improve our D-line. I just don't see the logic of waiting this long.

Niether do I. THe whole thing is weird, which is why folks probably came up with the smokescreen angle. I am starting to think the Shanny/Allen show isn't what is we were hoping for. The guy was disgruntled and should have been let go early on for maximum compensation.

Yea I agree Ruhskins, I think the guy plays with us this season. Adam Schefter insists the Redskins will not trade Haynesworth.. He's usually right on

Did he really because I saw him on NFL Live today and he said nothing like that when they were discussing Haynesworth. There's also nothing besides the initial rumor on his Twitter page.

I saw this morning on SC and he said he thinks we are asking for too much in return and he doubts a trade will happen. Hey I hope we trade the POS, but we have heard this all offseason.

Guys my GusFrerotte's Skins league is still open. The league ID is 261854 and the password is Riggins

Guys my GusFrerotte's Skins league is still open. The league ID is 261854 and the password is Riggins

Are we including this with Albert?

If Shanahan is the one who decides on the trade, then he stays. Shanahan doesn't want to come on as being weak in a battle of egos and wills. He will bench his ass all season unless he gets what's fair for him. So therefore, Schefter is right.

And you think we are going to get more now?

Well at the time it was a prudent idea. Now in hindsight AH is not helping his cause. He says he doesn't like the 3-4 defense and made a spectacle about this whole situation. Had he came in healthy and fit and played lights out it would have made it a lot easier for us to trade him if thats what he wanted. See teams are looking at him now thinking possible problem player who is out of shape and can't last a full game. Other teams are not going to want him and the ones that do will offer minimal trade bait.

All I can say is if I was the owner I'd tell the GM and HC that if what "I" wanted in return for him was not met then AH could sit on the bench in uniform each game so I could watch the 21 mill I spent each and every game. Plus I'd want the fans to enjoy what 21 mill brought to the city.

I mean why give a guy 21 mill then "give" him even more of what he wants and release him. At what point do the Skins get what they wanted? A player who would be dominant at their position for 21 mill. When does that happen? and if it is not going to then the Skins should atleast be closely compensated for the 21 mill they did spend. Either give it to us in draft picks or players or a combo of both.

or simply return the damn money. AH has practically committed fraud. He's taken money and he's not performing at the level the team expects him to. Imagine paying your mechanic $10,000 to fix your car and when you get it back it sputters, shakes, or wants to stall periodically. I think you'd be complaining to the mechanic or possibly taking him to court for fraud. Taking your money and not fixing the problem. Thats exactly what AH has done. He took the 21 mill and has not fixed his endurance and looked bad playing against the Cards.

Are we including this with Albert?

No, just need some more guys to join in to fill it up. Besides nothing is going to happen probably with Fat Albert if there is a lot of bitching going on with compensation.

Niether do I. THe whole thing is weird, which is why folks probably came up with the smokescreen angle. I am starting to think the Shanny/Allen show isn't what is we were hoping for. The guy was disgruntled and should have been let go early on for maximum compensation.

It may not be, or it might be exactly what we ordered. There was no discipline with Norv, Marty comes in and all the players complain about work ethics and the team turns around and ends 8-8. Spurrier is brought in and again no discipline, Gibbs steps in and tries to create a happy medium even though Greg Williams tried to play hard ball, Then Zorn who again let the player off with no discipline.

This team needed discipline. One player, one, does not like how things have changed and is trying to fight the system. If it was more then one player... perhaps 3 or 4 players I'd say Dan Snyder made a mistake in picking the Allen/Shanahan team. Instead it's one player who refuses to get with the program. Honestly at this point I don't think I'd trade him. I'd be trying to make an example out of him. I still don't get the lets just cut our losses and take the crappy exchange rate after having shelled out 21 mill. I'm sorry, either I get 21 mill of work out of your ass or you can sit on the bench every weekend watching your teamates play... win, lose, or draw, and think about what you want out of life... a job where your playing a game having fun or sitting on the bench wishing you could knock heads losing a yr of playing time possibly diminishing your skill even further. Mean while I'd be up in my booth scanning my binoculars from the field to the bench and enjoying wondering what the fans were saying to AH throughout the whole game.

It may not be, or it might be exactly what we ordered. There was no discipline with Norv, Marty comes in and all the players complain about work ethics and the team turns around and ends 8-8. Spurrier is brought in and again no discipline, Gibbs steps in and tries to create a happy medium even though Greg Williams tried to play hard ball, Then Zorn who again let the player off with no discipline.

This team needed discipline. One player, one, does not like how things have changed and is trying to fight the system. If it was more then one player... perhaps 3 or 4 players I'd say Dan Snyder made a mistake in picking the Allen/Shanahan team. Instead it's one player who refuses to get with the program. Honestly at this point I don't think I'd trade him. I'd be trying to make an example out of him. I still don't get the lets just cut our losses and take the crappy exchange rate after having shelled out 21 mill. I'm sorry, either I get 21 mill of work out of your ass or you can sit on the bench every weekend watching your teamates play... win, lose, or draw, and think about what you want out of life... a job where your playing a game having fun or sitting on the bench wishing you could knock heads losing a yr of playing time possibly diminishing your skill even further. Mean while I'd be up in my booth scanning my binoculars from the field to the bench and enjoying wondering what the fans were saying to AH throughout the whole game.

Nice post. I'm kind of past the point in the debate of MS v AH. I say who cares now? AH isn't showing enough to make it a serious question any longer.

If we're very, very lucky we get a player from trade who can actually help us. If we're just lucky AH will stay, play and be significantly better than he's been so far.

The problem is, our defense, especially the d-line, is suspect w/o a dominant AH. My take is this: if Mike and Jim couldn't see ahead to AH struggling so badly - or if they did consider it but do nothing, as we've seen to shore up the situation - my faith in the new regime is greatly diminished. Mike can't win w/o a dominant defense, a part of the game he doesn't seem to understand well. Much was put on Haslett's shoulders because 1) of Mike being the HC and 2) the unit in place was very, very good and just a piece or 2 short of being dominant.

If our defense is noticeably worse than last year we should be very, very concerned.