Hey Gibbs, You Need a New Playbook

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LongTimeSkinsFan
11-21-2004, 10:55 PM
My two cents. I think we can all agree that the 3rd quarter was the turning point in the game. We had a net offense of 39 yds in the 3rd quarter and that included 15 yds in penalties and 4 rushes from Portis for a walloping 16 yds. While the O-line was in great pass blocking form, we didn't have a great run blocking day.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha
11-21-2004, 10:56 PM
Let's just stop discussing the Redskins. There doesn't seem much room for disagreement about Gibbs. You say the word Gibbs and everyone turns into the Manchurian candidate. :)

MTK
11-21-2004, 11:01 PM
Let's just stop discussing the Redskins. There doesn't seem much room for disagreement about Gibbs. You say the word Gibbs and everyone turns into the Manchurian candidate. :)
I don't think anybody is denying that the playcalling could be better. I have never said the playcalling is not part of the problem.

But it just seems like too much blame is going to the playcalling and not enough blame to the execution.

By the way, just to be clear I'm talking about today, I'm analyzing today's game, not the entire season. At other times the coaching might get more blame, and at others it's more on the players. Today I thought it was pretty even.

SmootSmack
11-21-2004, 11:02 PM
First, I want to let you know that I hope the tone of my posts are "nice." If they come off rude or obnoxious, just PM me because I'm not meaning them to.

Second, I never said that Gibbs should have Ramsey "throw bombs on every pass play."

Third, I also know what Joe Gibbs is doing and it's not good. Thirteen points per game is awful. You change the QBs and our offense still stinks. You change the olinemen and our offense still stinks. You rotate the wideouts and the offense still stinks. Something stinks and its the playcalling.

Fourth, I also think Gibbs will get it right in the long haul.

Fifth, you can say that Gibbs is brilliant but the playbook sucks. I never said Gibbs was an omniscient, omnipotent God. I said he was brilliant and he, like anyone else, can make mistakes. It just appears that no one thinks he can do any wrong.

Some people think Gibbs needs to retire and I strongly disagree. But for every one of those people, you have someone who, under no circumstances, will EVER criticize Gibbs because of the 3 Super Bowl trophies. To me, that doesn't make sense either.

I try to look at Gibbs objectively and I like certain things about him and dislike certain things about him (as a coach). He's a great person and is indeed brilliant, but his playcalling hasn't been.

Nice post.

When Gibbs came back he said repeatedly from the start, "I'm not a miracle worker, this is going to be hard work, this isn't going to happen overnight"

And it seems like people either weren't listening or they just didn't want to accept that, so now when Gibbs isn't walking on the Potomac River leading the Redskins to a 9-0 record they just want to say well hell if he can't win now why is he even here?

And I'm not saying that Gibbs doesn't deserve criticism but I think he absolutely should get some benefit of the doubt because he has won 3 rings. Plus, he's not the first head coach to come back from a lengthy absence and take perhaps a season to adjust his philosophy to the current NFL

skinsguy
11-21-2004, 11:03 PM
Hey I'm not saying he can't make mistakes and if you can find it in my posts where I've said Gibbs is an omniscient, omnipotent God then I would be impressed. However, I don't see overall in Gibbs' game plan where it stinks. Its a conservative game plan that is going to save Ramsey's neck and hopefully confidence...but if the guys that Gibbs puts in cannot get the job done...then it isn't Gibbs..its the players. Sure Ramsey did better than Brunnell...but it is quite possible that Ramsey may not be the future of this team either and if he doesn't work in the system..maybe both Ramsey and Brunell needs to go.

Just a bit of information as well....The Tampa Bay Bucs won a Super Bowl with an offense that John Gruden says was taken from the "blue prints" of Joe Gibbs' offenses.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha
11-21-2004, 11:03 PM
I don't think anybody is denying that the playcalling could be better. I have never said the playcalling is not part of the problem.

But it just seems like too much blame is going to the playcalling and not enough blame to the execution.

By the way, just to be clear I'm talking about today, I'm analyzing today's game, not the entire season. At other times the coaching might get more blame, and at others it's more on the players. Today I thought it was pretty even.

I think we're splitting hairs now. I think our positions aren't that far apart. They are different, but not by much.

LadyT
11-21-2004, 11:04 PM
Your previous post on Gibbs said it all. I couldn't have expressed it better myself.

There's something very, very wrong with the offense and the playcalling and that must rest squarely on Gibbs' shoulders.

You say that you think he'll get it straightened out. I wish I had that kind of confidence, but I'm willing to let this season go by and hope for the best next year.

I think I'd feel a little more optimistic if I saw any change in Gibbs' approach, but so far I haven't. He's got a QB in Ramsey with a strong arm, but this was the most conservative and rotten playcalling I've ever seen.

If I see one more screen to the sidelines I will literally throw up. It was unreal how many times Gibbs called that same play . . .

I agree totally with your assessment of Gibbs right now. He's a great guy a brillilant thinker and was a great coach. But, he's not a god and he has made some terrible decisions this season, both in personnel and in his offensive game plans and playcalling. Let's see if his much-touted ability to adjust is still there. So far, I have seen no evidence of it.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha
11-21-2004, 11:06 PM
Gibbs system can work. But, lately it hasn't seemed like a Gibbs-run system. His system was a mix of dink and dunk passes, a good running game, AND some deep passes (from his days in SD).

I've seen two of those three components. I'm just waiting to see our offense begin to pose a credible deep threat.

MTK
11-21-2004, 11:08 PM
I think we're splitting hairs now. I think our positions aren't that far apart. They are different, but not by much.
I agree, we probably are splitting hairs at this point. But calling out Gibbs seems to be the more popular argument right now. I don't see a thread right now named the 'executions sucks', all I see is 'Gibbs needs a new playbook', and 'downfield Gibbs'?

Sheriff Gonna Getcha
11-21-2004, 11:11 PM
Gibbs has gotten in trouble for keeping Brunell in. Whereas a lot of people stuck by Brunell until the last moment, I think we all agree that Gibbs made a mistake in keeping Brunell in as long as he did.

Also, Gibbs does deserve a lot of flak. As I said earlier, if we were 7-3 does anyone honestly believe that Gibbs wouldn't be getting a disproportionate amount of the credit? He's getting a disproportionate amount of the criticism right now, but he almost deserves it considering we're 3-7.

Finally, doesn't Gibbs deserve some of the blame for the players' mistakes? He's the coach; it's his job to ensure that the right people are playing and playing well. It's not all on him if a player screws up, but as the head coach he deserves some of the blame. Doesn't he?

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