Hey Gibbs, You Need a New Playbook

The penalties didn't cause us to lose the game. They killed one drive and one scoring opportunity.

They killed a scoring drive that would have put us within one, possibly tied (with a 2 point conversion) and a questionable PI on Smoot put the Eagles in the Red Zone and another questionable call (Pinkston out of bounds) kept a drive alive

Shoulda, coulda, woulda. The bottom line is we got spanked.
The penalties didn't kill us.

Don't get me wrong, they definately hurt us, but the really bad penalties were limited to 2 drives. Those 2 drives didn't make or break the game for us.

As for the bad calls, they were both questionable. I don't think the replay showed that Pinkston's foot was beyond a shadow of a doubt out of bounds. The PI call against Smoot was bad, but it wasn't a decisive factor in the game either.

We simply got outplayed and outcoached.

Huh?

There were many people and a couple of threads talking about how we should have pounded it against Cincy last week.

I guess I missed all those threads.

Hey Skinsguy,

I've said he's a great man and he has a brilliant mind.

But excuse me if I criticize him. Have you been watching our offense? It has NEVER looked this bad (at least in my 26 years of existence). The playcalling is awful. Do you disagree? If you think the playcalling has been good, we should just agree to disagree because there is no common ground between the two of us.

He's a brilliant man, but "hey Joe Gibbs, you need a new playbook!"??? Let me tell you, there is nothing wrong with his playcalling. We have had low output this year because for one thing, Brunnell has sucked, another thing we have had tons of injuries, receivers have been very very inconsistant. I have witnessed Gibbs being even more conservative with his play calling in the past and we still scored points! Gibbs is bringing Ramsey around slowly...its just plain stupid to put him in there and tell him to throw bombs down the field on every pass play. What good is it for Ramsey to throw interceptions down the field and give the ball back to an offense like the Eagles have? That is just plain stupid. I guess we will have to agree to disagree because I know what Joe Gibbs is doing and I know that in the long haul it's going to work just fine.

I guess I missed all those threads.
I guess you're gonna make me search through the forum, LOL

Here's some of what I was talking about, posts talking about how we should have run more

http://www.thewarpath.net/showpost.php?p=48247&postcount=472

http://www.thewarpath.net/showpost.php?p=48389&postcount=474

Shoulda, coulda, woulda. The bottom line is we got spanked.
The penalties didn't kill us.

Don't get me wrong, they definately hurt us, but the really bad penalties were limited to 2 drives. Those 2 drives didn't make or break the game for us.

Well I get what you're saying but I think that drive where we had first and goal at the 10 and had to settle for a 48 yard miss by Kimrin was the turning point in the game and the penalties on that drive effectively killed us

I know that the game didn't end on that drive but I'm just saying that I think it played a much bigger role than we're saying it did

Here's a thread I found on the playcalling last week: http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=3723&page=1&pp=15&highlight=bengals

And I remember the actual game thread having a lot of comments as well

mabye if we ran the screen pass to a receiver a few more times..... People at the bar that wernt even watching the game kept commenting to me on how many times we ran that play.

Well I get what you're saying but I think that drive where we had first and goal at the 10 and had to settle for a 48 yard miss by Kimrin was the turning point in the game and the penalties on that drive effectively killed us

I know that the game didn't end on that drive but I'm just saying that I think it played a much bigger role than we're saying it did

Here's a thread I found on the playcalling last week: http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=3723&page=1&pp=15&highlight=bengals

And I remember the actual game thread having a lot of comments as well
I guess RF missed that one too ;)

First, I want to let you know that I hope the tone of my posts are "nice." If they come off rude or obnoxious, just PM me because I'm not meaning them to.

Second, I never said that Gibbs should have Ramsey "throw bombs on every pass play."

Third, I also know what Joe Gibbs is doing and it's not good. Thirteen points per game is awful. You change the QBs and our offense still stinks. You change the olinemen and our offense still stinks. You rotate the wideouts and the offense still stinks. Something stinks and its the playcalling.

Fourth, I also think Gibbs will get it right in the long haul.

Fifth, you can say that Gibbs is brilliant but the playbook sucks. I never said Gibbs was an omniscient, omnipotent God. I said he was brilliant and he, like anyone else, can make mistakes. It just appears that no one thinks he can do any wrong.

Some people think Gibbs needs to retire and I strongly disagree. But for every one of those people, you have someone who, under no circumstances, will EVER criticize Gibbs because of the 3 Super Bowl trophies. To me, that doesn't make sense either.

I try to look at Gibbs objectively and I like certain things about him and dislike certain things about him (as a coach). He's a great person and is indeed brilliant, but his playcalling hasn't been.

the pure stubborness in letting Brunell stay in as the starter for so long. Way beyond when he should have been benched.

And the playcalling today was every bit as bad as that of last week.

I have always loved Gibbs and what he did for this franchise, but I must say that I am really beginning to get cvery, very concerned about his approach to the game, primarily on offense.

I feel that we're playing in a time warp and that the Gibbs offense of the 80's (which is a lot of what we're seeing now), just does not work in today's NFL. But, the worst part of it is that I fear that Gibbs thinks it will eventually succeed, so he's going to stick with it. Just as he stuck with Brunell just long enough to ruin our season.

It's not coincidental that the part of the team that is doing very well is the defense -coached by a relatively young guy who's been part of the NFL for the past several years. And the part of the team that truly stinks is being coached by two old timers - Gibbs and Bugel.

I'm just not sure that they're up to the task anymore. Gibbs gives no indication that he has anything else up his sleeve other than fielding two wideouts. Today's game is very much different from what Gibbs left when he retired and I don't think he sees that.

Even Spurrier's offense was more exciting and generated more scores than Gibbs's does and that's a scary statement to have to make.

I've watched the Skins for over 30 years and can't ever remember a time when the offense looked so anemic.

I love Gibbs, but after what I've seen, I wonder if he can still get the job done. I knows there are those of you out there who truly believe he'll get things turned around and I sincerely hope you're right. But, what if the thing that needs to get "turned around" is Gibbs himself?