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artmonkforhallofamein07 09-23-2010, 11:05 AM No. There was a guy who was posting on the Redskins.com article comments section claiming that he had a "bro" who worked as a lawyer or something for the organization. Due to the nature of his job, this "bro" of his had access to a lot of private meetings of the guys at the top. This was during training camp.
Oh yeah I remember that guy. He was posting on a couple of article comments sections there.
artmonkforhallofamein07 09-23-2010, 11:10 AM VJ has a very valid point here...
Vincent Jackson says Chargers tactics "feel unethical" | ProFootballTalk.com (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/23/vincent-jackson-says-chargers-tactics-feel-unethical/)
"I just don't understand why [a trade wasn't completed]," Jackson said. "They obviously think I'm a valuable player by asking for such high trade compensation, but why am I only offered tender salary?"
I kow there have been comments made about how VJ has handled the situation and alos about comments that came out after the deadline yesterday, but this comment right here isn't malicious or anything towards SD it shows a level of intellgence for VJ and I for one agree with him.
firstdown 09-23-2010, 11:19 AM I doubt he'd do this, he needs to accrue his season to become an UFA.
I find it funny that so many people on this thread are on VJ's side just because they want him to be a Redskins. Typically, whenever there is a story such as this (player vs. team) 9 times out of 10 the fans side with the team (i.e. Revis, up to a certain degree Haynesworth, pretty much any player that holds out). I know that every holdout is different, I just always see fans siding with the team (i.e. the guy should just show up; the player needs to honors his contract; etc., etc.).
The problem with the NFL is that teams are not required to full fill their contracts so why should we hold the player to that standard. If I'm correct they have the same issue right now with a OL.
over the mountain 09-23-2010, 11:35 AM Ruhskins - to a degree but in situations where a guy signed a nominal rookie contract and has outperformed that contract and hasnt complained up until now (4-5 years later). i dont know the exact numbers per year, but he made approx 900k last year making the probowl.
Jackson held up his end but due to the CBA issues the chargers decided to tender him instead of rewarding him with a new contract to a player that has straight balled for you for 4 years making chump change.
at some point, you have to reward players who have played hard for you for years making a fraction of what other guys make.
the chargers are setting a real bad precedent and impression in their locker room. what charger player is honestly going to believe smith when he says, "yeah i know you are in your 3rd year of your rookie contract and we love the fact that you are a probowler making less than 1 mil a year but trust me, just believe us when we say when the time comes we will show you the money."
its the same thing with chris johnson. he was making chump change from his rookie contract but has been the best RB for the past 2 years. given the ton of touches the titans force on him, they had to show him some respect.
aj smith is setting himself for a bad rep among his own players and any future charger.
NYCskinfan82 09-23-2010, 11:37 AM Let's hope he's not related to the "bro".
LOL oh yeah I remember that, were is that guy now.
Ruhskins 09-23-2010, 02:09 PM Ruhskins - to a degree but in situations where a guy signed a nominal rookie contract and has outperformed that contract and hasnt complained up until now (4-5 years later). i dont know the exact numbers per year, but he made approx 900k last year making the probowl.
Jackson held up his end but due to the CBA issues the chargers decided to tender him instead of rewarding him with a new contract to a player that has straight balled for you for 4 years making chump change.
at some point, you have to reward players who have played hard for you for years making a fraction of what other guys make.
the chargers are setting a real bad precedent and impression in their locker room. what charger player is honestly going to believe smith when he says, "yeah i know you are in your 3rd year of your rookie contract and we love the fact that you are a probowler making less than 1 mil a year but trust me, just believe us when we say when the time comes we will show you the money."
its the same thing with chris johnson. he was making chump change from his rookie contract but has been the best RB for the past 2 years. given the ton of touches the titans force on him, they had to show him some respect.
aj smith is setting himself for a bad rep among his own players and any future charger.
Honestly, I agree with VJ's standpoint. Teams will quickly get production from a low-round players at chump change and not pay them. My comments were mainly to point out how in most of these cases (if not all of them) fans side with the team.
I think if this were happening to a team in a bigger market (i.e. New York, Washington, etc., etc.) it would be seen as a much bigger deal to SD.
As you say, AJ Smith and the FO there are setting themselves up to be seen in bad light by the players. I wonder (and I'm sure) SD fans would want this to be over and done with.
Mechanix544 09-23-2010, 02:28 PM I think this has the potential to be a substantial issue during the next talks for the CBA. AJ Smith being a dickhead, plain and simple, to his players and not rewarding them with a longer term contract for play WAY above and beyond their current deal. I think the players definitely have more traction than the owners going into these negotiations, and this situation is just another arrow in their quiver.
All the owners and GMs should be a little pissed off at Smith right now, because in the long run, his little "My cock is bigger than your cock" game might end up costing the owners a little bit of money.
saden1 09-23-2010, 02:51 PM VJ has a very valid point here...
Vincent Jackson says Chargers tactics "feel unethical" | ProFootballTalk.com (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/23/vincent-jackson-says-chargers-tactics-feel-unethical/)
"I just don't understand why [a trade wasn't completed]," Jackson said. "They obviously think I'm a valuable player by asking for such high trade compensation, but why am I only offered tender salary?"
What is unethical is you drinking and driving for the second time and getting yourself suspended by the league, threatening to sit out the whole season and then crying foul when the Chargers stick it to you. If I'm the owner and he wanted top 3 money I'd screw him too. Boo hoo hoo.
over the mountain 09-23-2010, 02:58 PM I wonder (and I'm sure) SD fans would want this to be over and done with.
i went over to bolttalk after posting here to see what the fans thought as well as try and find details on jacksons contract.
Im not exaggerating, every single charger fan posting on there was 100% in aj smiths corner. i was very surprised. they view jackson's agent as a cry baby b/c they think he advised jackson to not sign tender b/c he would get dealt but now that hasnt happened, jackson's agents comments are viewed as being whiny and cya.
saden - did smith promise jackson he would get a new contract last year?
CRedskinsRule 09-23-2010, 03:39 PM I didn't realize VJ's agent was the same as Revis'. Players need to look closely at who they hire, and see what their track record is. We can be thankful TW did that this summer!
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