|
jsarno 09-06-2010, 06:48 PM I'm unsure as to which players in history sat out for a better contract and what happened with it, but I can't imagine sitting out the entire season is good for any player. You only have a limited amount of years to play, so don't take one away, and even worse, he won't be getting any better sitting out a year. Who knows if his talents will ever be as high as they are right now?
(in short, VJ is a moron)
GTripp0012 09-06-2010, 06:51 PM Give me your top 5.Fitzgerald, Johnson, Wayne, Jackson, either Moss or Smith at five.
skinsfaninok 09-06-2010, 07:04 PM Agree with Gtripp
jsarno 09-06-2010, 07:11 PM Yeah, but the thing is Austin and Rice passed the 1,300 yard mark. Once a player makes it to that point you know theres something else besides QB play at work. Only player I can think of that struggled after getting 1,300 yards was Javon Walker and that was thanks to injury.
1. Andre Johnson
2. Larry Fitzgerald
3. Randy Moss
4. Calvin Johnson (984 yards in 14 games last year with a rookie QB, 1,300 yards the year before)
5a. Wes Welker (More yards then Moss but 9 fewer TD's)
5b. Roddy White (Got 1,200 yards with one of the worst QB groups in the league in 2007)
7. Boldin
8. Marshall
9. Austin
10. Rice
[quote]On top of that VJax isn't even the best receiver on his own team. I'm all for bringing him in at a discount but AJ Smith is all so stubborn.
I disagree with your list. 1-4 is fine, arguable, but fine...wes Welker is not #5. There is a reason he wasn't anything super special in Miami, he's no #1, he's the best damn compliment wr in the game though. Marshall is more talented than most you have mentioned. Jackson is certainly in the top ten or should be very darn close. But I fail to see how he is not the best receiver on his own team. Gates is a TE, and even Gates thinks Jackson is super talented. Floyd? No way. Jackson doesn't get as much credit because San Diego does such a great job at spreading the ball around...especially to the RB's who caught 97 passes total last year. (106 in 08) Gates is a great talent...as a TE, but he would be average at best as a WR. He can not burn DB's in the secondary, and while his route running is excellent vs LB's, DB's would learn how to play him quickly. You can put Jackson as the #1, or even a slot receiver, and he would succeed, same can not be said for Gates. (I only use gates cause I am assuming that's who you were referring to)
saden1 09-06-2010, 07:17 PM There's absolutely no logical reason to include Jackson in the top five and leave DeSean Jackson and Brandon Marshall out...we will simply have to agree to disagree. It don't make sense.
jsarno 09-06-2010, 07:24 PM Jackson is 28 next January....he ain't no spring chicken and he's certainly not worth the kind of money he's asking for. When these players take over I'll be happy to reevaluate my position.
Just an FYI, Jackson will be 27 all season, and that's the exact year Marvin Harrison broke out, and was extremely productive for 8 more years after that. WR isn't like RB...there is no wall at 30. I'd say the wall for wr's is 34 or 35.
The man is 6'5" 241lbs, and can run pretty darn fast. He's a freak, and on a team like the Skins, 1300+ yards would be extremely likely given we now have a QB to throw to him. DB's just can't match up with him.
jsarno 09-06-2010, 07:27 PM There's absolutely no logical reason to include Jackson in the top five and leave DeSean Jackson and Brandon Marshall out...we will simply have to agree to disagree. It don't make sense.
I'd take Vincent over DeSean. DeSean is a great Welker type of WR, but not a top ten IMO like Vincent is. I agree about Marshall though.
EARTHQUAKE2689 09-06-2010, 07:29 PM DeSean Jackson is not in the top 5 and neither is Vincent Jackson.
1a) Andre Johnson
1b) Larry Fitzgerald
3) Reggie Wayne
4) Brandon Marshall
5) Randy Moss
GTripp0012 09-06-2010, 07:30 PM There's absolutely no logical reason to include Jackson in the top five and leave DeSean Jackson and Brandon Marshall out...we will simply have to agree to disagree. It don't make sense.Marshall is good. Not great. Just good. No way is he higher than ten on any real list.
Jackson, I mean, do we include punt return value? If we do, he might to enough well to be more valuable than Steve Smith or Randy Moss, as well as Jackson. I like DeSean Jackson, and feel he may become the premier deep threat in football if he isn't already, but I can easily argue that Jackson is already a complete player while much of Jackson's route running remains a work in progress. (By that I mean, more than a year away from being a complete route runner, if he does get there).
I'd take Jackson over Marshall any day though.
EARTHQUAKE2689 09-06-2010, 07:36 PM Marshall is good. Not great. Just good. No way is he higher than ten on any real list.
Jackson, I mean, do we include punt return value? If we do, he might to enough well to be more valuable than Steve Smith or Randy Moss, as well as Jackson. I like DeSean Jackson, and feel he may become the premier deep threat in football if he isn't already, but I can easily argue that Jackson is already a complete player while much of Jackson's route running remains a work in progress. (By that I mean, more than a year away from being a complete route runner, if he does get there).
I'd take Jackson over Marshall any day though.
I wouldn't, I guess multiple consecutive 100 catch seasons dont carry much weight as it used to
|