The Parking Lot...where scooters should stay.

Excessive acceleration is against traffic code in many areas.. not sure about where they're at. It could also be grouped into the category of "careless driving/operation of vehicle."

I've never really heard the you have the right to approach the speed limit as quickly as you'd like defense. Of course this is all assuming that they were still under the limit.

Its a freaking different country so maybe the right lane was the fast lane there.

Its a freaking different country so maybe the right lane was the fast lane there.
common sense should tell you to not differ from your surroundings at such a rate regardless of your country

don't tell me you guys have never watched a video on youtube being filmed from a car having a lil fun out there

I think that the car did mostly what it could've done given the circumstances. I think that they also contributed to the circumstances however.

How? By accelerating in an open lane of traffic? It's not like they were still in the accident zone - they were clearly past it. You can feel however you want about it, but I just don't see any facts that back up your opinion.

You conceed that:
Driver was not exceeding speed limit;
Driver began braking as soon as he was presented by the scooter guys move;
Scooter guy braked after switching lanes;
Driver did all he could do to avoid the accident.

What facts support the position that the driver contrib'd? The only thing you've said is that he was travelling faster than traffic around him which, in an open lane of traffic, he is free to do especially when he is not exceeding the speed limit.

last clear chance to avoid an accident. if this driver was driving at or below the posted speed limit then he should have had enough time to brake safely.

there is also the issue of contributory neg if this was in MD.

also, considering the circumstances of why traffic was slowed or stopped, accelerating in that situation wasnt the smartest decision.

honestly to me it looked like the driver knew the scooter guy was coming over but didnt want to slow down, choosing to get up on his ass and try and close the window, then when the scooter guy braked, collision occurred.

i mean, who wants a freakin scooter changing lanes in front of you when you lane is clear for take off?

last clear chance to avoid an accident. if this driver was driving at or below the posted speed limit then he should have had enough time to brake safely.

there is also the issue of contributory neg if this was in MD.

also, considering the circumstances of why traffic was slowed or stopped, accelerating in that situation wasnt the smartest decision.

honestly to me it looked like the driver knew the scooter guy was coming over but didnt want to slow down, choosing to get up on his ass and try and close the window, then when the scooter guy braked, collision occurred.

i mean, who wants a freakin scooter changing lanes in front of you when you lane is clear for take off?

Well said, good post

How? By accelerating in an open lane of traffic? It's not like they were still in the accident zone - they were clearly past it. You can feel however you want about it, but I just don't see any facts that back up your opinion.

You conceed that:
Driver was not exceeding speed limit;
Driver began braking as soon as he was presented by the scooter guys move;
Scooter guy braked after switching lanes;
Driver did all he could do to avoid the accident.

What facts support the position that the driver contrib'd? The only thing you've said is that he was travelling faster than traffic around him which, in an open lane of traffic, he is free to do especially when he is not exceeding the speed limit.

I did not concede* that the driver was not exceeding the speed limit. Lot of words you're putting in there for me.

Ultimately when it comes down to 1 vs 2 (2 being the scooter) it would get written as 2's fault.

Again, we're still assuming that the speed limit was being followed. You can be cited for accelerating/endangerment, etc without exceeding the speed limit.

Excessive acceleration is against traffic code in many areas.. not sure about where they're at. It could also be grouped into the category of "careless driving/operation of vehicle."

I've never really heard the you have the right to approach the speed limit as quickly as you'd like defense. Of course this is all assuming that they were still under the limit and that everyone else was just going painstakingly slowly following the previous incident.

Sorry, I just think we are going to have to disagree that his acceleration was "excessive". He passed a some trucks and a bus. Not clear evidence of excessive to me.

It's not that he has the right to approach the speed limit "as quickly as he would like to". It's that, from the video, other than passing a few trucks, nothing shows him accelerating in a reckless manner. He does have the absolute right to accelerate to speed without unexpected, unsignaled obstructions.

Everything reasonable - which means he doesn't have to put his or anyone else's life in danger. Could he have swerved? maybe. But if he goes right, what if scooter continues that way? Could he swerve left? dunno, maybe scooter guy goes that way to avoid, or there is a car approaching from behind. He was presented with an unreasonable and unexpected condition by scooter guy. He can't alter the time space continuim to stop on a dime and he doesn't have to be omniscient so that he can know what jerk move the scooter guy will do next.

I'll give you 95-5 but not much more than that - and only that grudgingly.

He didn't need to swerve, he just needed to be a little less lackadaisical with the brakes. Unless he had someone right on his ass, he could/should have slammed on the brakes harder.

Does it really appear to you that he did everything he could to stop?

I think we need to toss the speed limit out the window, if he was driving too fast for the current conditions on the road, it doesn't matter if he was breaking the limit or not.

Going back it seems as if the vehicle did not brake as soon as he should have, hard to say not being in the incident though.

You've seriously got to be messing with me on the acceleration part. Was traffic defense part of your early lawyer days? Can you step outside of your thinking and even believe what you're saying?