O-Line

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Redskins_P
11-16-2004, 12:06 PM
In Ray Brown's defense, and maybe someone can better explain the finer points of this, but I believe this the first time Brown has played RT. He's spent his career as a left guard and just recently move to right guard last season.

So I think he's been playing out of position this whole season

That's true. I heard Doc Walker mention that last night. Maybe we should move him to LG and Dockery to RT.

MTK
11-16-2004, 12:07 PM
Dockery played RT in college but he doesn't really have the foot speed for RT in the pros, that's why he was moved inside.

JudgeJebus
11-16-2004, 12:48 PM
Is it just me, or wasn't our O-Line's pass protection pretty good at the beginning of the season (Gibbs would criticize the run blocking in the post-game press conferences, but he usually said they did a good job in pass protection)? Any ideas as to why it's regressed?

FRPLG
11-16-2004, 01:21 PM
I am telling you all it hasn't regressed and really isn't that bad. Our QBs are making it look worse than it really is. It hasn't been out freaking standing but it hasn't been a reason we are losing. Teams know we can't pass the ball (at least we couldn't with rag arm Brunell) so they stack the line for the run game and pressured Brunell to force him to make throws on the run and make tougher passes knowing he couldn't do it. I imagine we'll see the same now that Ramsey is playing sicn he is a statue and can't move. Until Ramsey shows the ability to find the open receiver on blitzes we're in for more of the same.

That Guy
11-16-2004, 03:45 PM
A good QB has to adjust to adversity and give himself a chance to throw the ball down field. No better example than McNabb last night with his 14:00 sec. 60 yard play.

So he needs to adjust to give himself time by hiring the iggles OLine??

SkinsRock
11-16-2004, 03:48 PM
With Samuels protecting the blind side instead of a 41 year old vet, it will be better. Yeah, they've struggled, but it is nowhere near last year's O-line debacle. Let's see how they do once they get used to Ramsey playing behind them (in practice and a few games) before making any big judgements.

sportscurmudgeon
11-16-2004, 08:27 PM
Ray Brown has been a guard for almopst his entire career and has been trying to play RT this year because - hold your breath here - he's the best they have now that Jansen is out.

Oh, remember when Vaughn Parker was signed and the word was that he was fantastic and how the Skins were so lucky and so smart to snap him up before anyone could get him? Well, let's just say that his contributions thusfar have been meager. Argue with that and I'll tell you that in reality the contributions have been ZERO.

Thomas is solid at RG. If he gets hurt, I'm afraid that the dam will burst!

No one playing center this year has been anything special. I guess Raymer is OK in that he doesn't make any realy blatant mistakes, but I don't think he'd get any Pro Bowl votes even if all the votes were coming from the Raymer Family Reunion Picnic.

Matty, I plead guilty to giving Dockery heat on this board. I like the fact that he shed his baby fat in the off season and built muscle; that says he is coachable and dedicated. Now if he continues on that path, he can improve from where he is now - and he does have room to improve. When Jansen got hurt, I suggested here putting Dockery at RT because he is quick - even though he does not have much foot speed. It's too late to make that switch now but with Brown at LG instead of Dockery, things MIGHT have been better. Whatever.

Samuels has been better this year than last year. That is damning by faint praise because he is still not nearly one of the top LTs in the conference.

I understand the benefit of stability within a cadre of offensive linemen but I'm not convinced that this group is sufficiently talented to warrant "keeping them together" much longer than the end of this year.

SmootSmack
11-16-2004, 08:32 PM
I wonder what the plans are for Wilson and the other guy (Molinaro?) for next season

Sheriff Gonna Getcha
11-16-2004, 08:40 PM
SC,

Dockery is indeed inconsistent and has a ways to go before we can say he is a solid starter. That is even that much more of a reason not to put him at RT. Dockery moves about as fast as a turd comes out of my a-- and speed rushers would blow him (and out QB) up. He just doesn't have the quickness to play tackle in the NFL.

As to Parker's situation, he's still recovering from an injury, just got here two weeks ago, and has barely unpacked his bags. So I don't expect him to make any conrtributions for awhile. We signed him, if memory serves me well, to a 2 year deal in part because we knew it wouldn't be beneficial to us to sign him to a 1 year deal given that he came mid-way through the season while nursing injuries.

That Guy
11-16-2004, 08:47 PM
I wonder what the plans are for Wilson and the other guy (Molinaro?) for next season
molinaro is added depth at DT if nothing else... wilson has been super quiet though...

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