A few notes on Ramsey:

He had a better TD to INT ratio than Peyton Manning did in his 16 games as a starter. He had 23 TD's and 17 picks. Try to keep in mind also, that I know Ramsey threw 2 INT's on Hail Maries because we didn't have a quarterback with an arm other than him.

For all the haters:

Keep in mind that Patrick Ramsey is one of very few quarterbacks who managed to throw more Touchdowns in his first year as a starter. Has he taken a step back? I don't necessarily think so. He's been put into bad situations. When they brought him in yesterday, I thought it was a bad position to put the kid in. Down 17, obviously he's not going to win it. It will just shake his already fragile confidence. However, he did get going and come up with a TD to at least make it respectable. Moving on...I want everyone to remember that Ramsey may not have "played well," but you saw him take the hits. Also, the Skins didn't just have no running game last year. They had a starting Running Back who wasn't a day over 27, that is no longer in the league because he is so bad. Ramsey will learn to make less mistakes. This game is still relatively new to him. Keep in mind next week against Philly is just his 17th NFL start. The season is lost unless they win out, he should get the same leash Brunell got...half the season. Let's see what he can do and let's just see if he's the QB of the future.

I, for one, think that he is and believe he has better physical talent than Joey Harrington. The difference? Harrington got handed the job and get this...left alone. They let him struggle, they let him learn, now they're not too bad, most young quarterbacks just get, so be patient.

He had a better TD to INT ratio than Peyton Manning did in his 16 games as a starter. He had 23 TD's and 17 picks. Try to keep in mind also, that I know Ramsey threw 2 INT's on Hail Maries because we didn't have a quarterback with an arm other than him.

For all the haters:

Keep in mind that Patrick Ramsey is one of very few quarterbacks who managed to throw more Touchdowns in his first year as a starter. Has he taken a step back? I don't necessarily think so. He's been put into bad situations. When they brought him in yesterday, I thought it was a bad position to put the kid in. Down 17, obviously he's not going to win it. It will just shake his already fragile confidence. However, he did get going and come up with a TD to at least make it respectable. Moving on...I want everyone to remember that Ramsey may not have "played well," but you saw him take the hits. Also, the Skins didn't just have no running game last year. They had a starting Running Back who wasn't a day over 27, that is no longer in the league because he is so bad. Ramsey will learn to make less mistakes. This game is still relatively new to him. Keep in mind next week against Philly is just his 17th NFL start. The season is lost unless they win out, he should get the same leash Brunell got...half the season. Let's see what he can do and let's just see if he's the QB of the future.

I, for one, think that he is and believe he has better physical talent than Joey Harrington. The difference? Harrington got handed the job and get this...left alone. They let him struggle, they let him learn, now they're not too bad, most young quarterbacks just get, so be patient.

It's good to give stats to support your point but Ramsey was probably sacked more times than any other first year QB. He has had more passes batted down than any other first year starter also.

Had Ramsey played an entire season in his first first year like Manning that TD to INT ratio would have changed. As of now, Ramsey is not a rookie , yet he will continue to make the same mistakes that led him to the bench this year. He looked horrible in preseason and still has to prove himself this week.

After this week, I'm sure the Ramsey bandwagon will die down, because the only way we win is with Portis and not deep passes from Ramsey. 38 carries for 179 yds.

"Ramsey was probably sacked more times than any other first year QB" Sunra (I dont know how to do the cool quoting) I believe David Carr has that honor

After this week, I'm sure the Ramsey bandwagon will die down, because the only way we win is with Portis and not deep passes from Ramsey. 38 carries for 179 yds.
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I dont think the Ramsey bandwagon will die down because theres no way he can play worse than brunell,I've never seen a qb have a worse stretch of games than Brunell,even if we dont win another game I cant see anybody wanting brunell back in,maybe Hasselback,but not Brunell

"Ramsey was probably sacked more times than any other first year QB" Sunra (I dont know how to do the cool quoting) I believe David Carr has that honor
yeah,but Carr lasted the whole yr,Ramsey didnt

Sunra, I know you don't like Ramsey, but do you stand by your earlier comments (from previous weeks) that Brunell should be the starting QB? Or have you joined the Ramsey "bandwagon?"

P.S. I'm not trying to be smart ass.

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this one game will not be a fair judgement of ramsey. he is going up against one of the best teams in the league. also, he is still doesnt have the timing down with his starting WR's.

ramsey is virtually a rookie all over again. spurriers offence was not a pro style, so it will take him some time to adjust to the coaches playbook.


if ramsey can lead the offence to more than 18 points, he would be a major improvement; i dont care how many mistakes he makes.

It's good to give stats to support your point but Ramsey was probably sacked more times than any other first year QB. He has had more passes batted down than any other first year starter also.

Where are you getting the passes batted down stat? I've never heard that one and I don't believe it.

I, for one, think that he is and believe he has better physical talent than Joey Harrington. The difference? Harrington got handed the job and get this...left alone. They let him struggle, they let him learn, now they're not too bad, most young quarterbacks just get, so be patient.
That pretty much sums up my thinking.

Had Ramsey come in to the league under better circumstances like guys like Carr and Harrington have, he would probably be a better QB right now than both of them.

If Ramsey gets the full commitment of this team over the long-term, I think he can develop in to a quality QB.

Right now he just hasn't had a fair shot.

It's good to give stats to support your point but Ramsey was probably sacked more times than any other first year QB. He has had more passes batted down than any other first year starter also.

So where are you getting your #'s from?

You say it's good to give stats but you go on to say he was "probably" sacked more than any other first year QB which is totaly false, Carr was sacked an NFL record 76 times in his rookie season, thank you.

As for the batted passes I have no idea where you're "probably" getting that number from but I'd be interested to hear your source.