What if Ramsey isn't the man?

Daseal, all of the QBs that Gibbs won with had something that Quincy does not...they were very smart. Carter isn't an idiot, but I know many Cowboy fans that didn't want him there, and were happy to see him go, even though they knew that meant they had to rely on old man Vinny or a baseball player.
That is one thing that all of our QB's do have....they are all very smart. So if it turns out that Ramsey isn't the man (which, for the record, I seriously doubt will happen), I don't know who they'll go after, but it will definitely be someone that has shown to be more intelligent than Q.

You know your comments refering to Quincy Carter as not smart but not actually an idiot is real close to being racist and bigoted when you take into account the way the sterotypical image of the black QB has been portrayed.

That may not be your intentions, but believe me that's not the road to take when describing a QB who has proven he can play in the NFL with professionals and lead his team to a 10-6 record. That's intelligence. I'm sick of hearing black QB's described as athletic but not actually as a thinker. I guess they don't study playbooks like the rest of the "guys" do.

SUNRA, do you know the difference between someone thinking a guy is dumb and someone calling/thinking he's a N*****... i sure as hell hope so. before calling people racist, maybe think about the fact that QC made bad decisions (besides drugs, he had more ints than TDs, etc).

again with the records... craig kenzel is 3-0 as a starter, he's obviously the best qb in the nfl, and the sole reason the bears are winning those games, right?

(btw, not an insult, its an honest question)

Craig Krenzel rocks

Can't wait to get my Krenzel jersey!

You know SKINSROCK you bring up an issue that needs to be clarified. When you mentioned that even Dallas Fans wanted Carter out of Dallas and this is before the drug test issue, What was their reason for wanting him out of there, because of VinnyTesteverde? I'd like to see their faces right now. The reason this is the worse Cowboys team in ten years is because of an old ass washed up QB who was beaten out of his job like Brunell by a young QB and that arrogant and real smart ass Parcells needed and excuse to bump Carter off to make room for Testeverde knowing that Carter's abilities were greater than all of Dallas's QB's combined and that Testeverde would stink up the place and Carter would be asked to replace him. Carter showed intelligence by not shitting on Parcells in the media. I know a lot of Cowboys fans who thought it was a shitty and cut-throat way to get rid of a player who had just led his team to the playoffs. If Parcells did want Testeverde, Carter would still be in Dallas. So the issue of drugs was never an issue until the Tuna make it an issue.

You know your comments refering to Quincy Carter as not smart but not actually an idiot is real close to being racist and bigoted when you take into account the way the sterotypical image of the black QB has been portrayed.

That may not be your intentions, but believe me that's not the road to take when describing a QB who has proven he can play in the NFL with professionals and lead his team to a 10-6 record. That's intelligence. I'm sick of hearing black QB's described as athletic but not actually as a thinker. I guess they don't study playbooks like the rest of the "guys" do.
Let's not make something out of nothing here.

So if leading your team to a 10-6 record is 'intelligence', what's it called when you're cut the following year in the preseason in favor of a 41 year old QB??

Hmmm.....

Somebody wanna help me with the word? I think it starts with a D and ends with a B.

By the way, to clear things up once again, Dallas is not 3-6 because of who's behind center.

They are struggling because two of the key elements in a Parcells' coached team are missing. A running game and a strong defense.

If Dallas had both of those elements right now (like they did last year), I guarantee you Vinny would be looking much better.

I agree with Matty. The only reason for a change in Dallas, is to get Henson ready to play and see what he can do. If he's not a good player, then they have to draft someone else or pick up a FA ( Brees ).

The only reason to consider benching Vinny is because of his age, and that he will not be a asset to the team for a very long time. He is certianly not the problem up there, in my opinion. Henson COULD be a better qb, I really have no idea. I dont follow the Cowboys close enough to know how good he is. I just know, Vinny isnt playing as bad as the wrap he is getting.

SUNRA, do you know the difference between someone thinking a guy is dumb and someone calling/thinking he's a N*****... i sure as hell hope so. before calling people racist, maybe think about the fact that QC made bad decisions (besides drugs, he had more ints than TDs, etc).

again with the records... craig kenzel is 3-0 as a starter, he's obviously the best qb in the nfl, and the sole reason the bears are winning those games, right?

(btw, not an insult, its an honest question)



Let me try to enlighten you. First of all, I am a 37-year old black man who has heard enough statements made consciously or unconsciously by whites when describing black quarterbacks that are not used when describing their white counterparts. That's why I gave him the benefit of the doubt.

To call someone a racist without explaining to them some of the offensive language or terminilogy used to describe black QB's is shallow and I'm not into that. People generally refer to Micheal Vick as a "running" QB. You know why that's offensive? He's not a running QB, He's a QB who has the ability to run and throw which is greatess weapon against the defense. It marginalizes Vick to appear to not really be a QB but more of a runningback who just happens to throw the ball here and there. The same thing can be said about Culpepper.

The best QB's in the league are Peyton Manning, Micheal Vick, Donovan McNabb, Daunte Culpepper and Ben Rothlisberger. What do they all have in common? They all are great runners who can beat a team with their legs as well with their arms. But Manning isn't called a running QB. He's intelligent he can use his legs to avoid the sack and throw down field. While Vick is seen as guy who is a phenomenal athlete but not really a serious QB. Do you understand where I'm coming from?

You know SKINSROCK you bring up an issue that needs to be clarified. When you mentioned that even Dallas Fans wanted Carter out of Dallas and this is before the drug test issue, What was their reason for wanting him out of there, because of VinnyTesteverde? I'd like to see their faces right now. The reason this is the worse Cowboys team in ten years is because of an old ass washed up QB who was beaten out of his job like Brunell by a young QB and that arrogant and real smart ass Parcells needed and excuse to bump Carter off to make room for Testeverde knowing that Carter's abilities were greater than all of Dallas's QB's combined and that Testeverde would stink up the place and Carter would be asked to replace him. Carter showed intelligence by not shitting on Parcells in the media. I know a lot of Cowboys fans who thought it was a shitty and cut-throat way to get rid of a player who had just led his team to the playoffs. If Parcells did want Testeverde, Carter would still be in Dallas. So the issue of drugs was never an issue until the Tuna make it an issue.

huh? have to go with matty, its the D and the missing run game... if anything, they should have kept emmitt smith (and troy)... even last year all the analysis/pre game shows mentioned that they weren't winning because of QC and parcells needed to find a better QB... i don't think vinny is really any better, but obviously they had a legitimate reason to cut QC or he'd still be there.

The best QB's in the league are Peyton Manning, Micheal Vick, Donovan McNabb, Daunte Culpepper and Ben Rothlisberger. What do they all have in common? They all are great runners who can beat a team with their legs as well with their arms. But Manning isn't called a running QB. He's intelligent he can use his legs to avoid the sack and throw down field. While Vick is seen as guy who is a phenomenal athlete but not really a serious QB. Do you understand where I'm coming from?
a bit, but i've really never seen peyton do much running at all... and since mcnabb got TO, he hasn't run very much either (scrambling around the field, but not diving for first downs nearly as much as last year)... i've never heard culpepper described as a running QB, he's definately a passer who can run though... the problem with vick is unlike mcnabb and culpepper, he's only thrown for 1500 yards (vs 2400+, though he has completed 60% of passes) and he's the leading rusher on his team (#18 in the nfl, with the highest ypc in the league)... so if you're going to call anyone a running QB, its definately vick. I don't really see anything negative about it, though you obviously do... if ben was averaging 60ypg rushing, i'd call him a running QB too...

if you ask, how many teams would rather have vick, its a VERY high number, which should indicate that its not considered a bad thing. I think he called QC dumb cause of on field and off field choices, which is legitimate and that you may have read a little too far into that as a smear on all black QBs (there's dumb whiteys btw, like bledsoe... and crappy QBs too, which are mainly white (krenzel, brunell, miami) ;))