Bruce Allen's Over the Hill Gang

Well.....we are not mortgaging the future for today. We are employing stop gap measures until our draft can supplement more fully in the team building process. So far we have paid bargain basement prices, for quality players, molding what may prove to be a formidable lineup.....Great moves
And who would not like to win now and later if it can be done?

Well.....we are not mortgaging the future for today. We are employing stop gap measures until our draft can supplement more fully in the team building process. So far we have paid bargain basement prices, for quality players, molding what may prove to be a formidable lineup.....Great moves
And who would not like to win now and later if it can be done?

In looking at the Chiefs stats from 2001-2005 I predict we have 4 or 5 years to reload in terms of talent. However I think people keep on forgetting that theres another side of the ball and our defensive guys aren't going to hold up forever.

Hopefully they can reproduce the success of the OTH gang of the past?

I was thinking that, I'll take success from old guys any day.

I think this is the first time Bruce Allen is really getting a chance to call the shots in terms of shaping the roster. I know that Shanahan has a big part in this and Allen isn't a traditional scout, but I feel like it's probably been pretty easy for Allen to sell Shanahan on making these trades for veterans for the sake of winning sooner rather then later. Plus it's not like they haven't gotten value for their trades.

Here's to hoping that the Redskins become the Celtics of the NFL.


If there's a silver lining to the age of this roster in comparison to George Allen's "over the hill gang", it's that we do have youth at some positions where before, just about everybody on those teams were over thirty.

Granted, the youth has to produce, otherwise when our aging players play out in a couple of years we have nothing to replenish the roster. Without a doubt this team is being constructed to win now, just like our 70's teams, but that's what I expected with Bruce Allen and Shanahan being a former super bowl winning coach. It's easy to see how the inclination is to win, and to win now.

Well.....we are not mortgaging the future for today. We are employing stop gap measures until our draft can supplement more fully in the team building process. So far we have paid bargain basement prices, for quality players, molding what may prove to be a formidable lineup.....Great moves
And who would not like to win now and later if it can be done?

Couldn't have put it better myself

The NE patriots went to the super bowl in 07 with the oldest LB core in the league ever. They had a lot of old guys on that squad for sure.

Age isn't a horrifying factor to a football team, especially to a professional football team.

Well.....we are not mortgaging the future for today. We are employing stop gap measures until our draft can supplement more fully in the team building process. So far we have paid bargain basement prices, for quality players, molding what may prove to be a formidable lineup.....Great moves
And who would not like to win now and later if it can be done?Interesting take, but when a team trades it's draft picks for a 33 year old quarterback, a 29 year old RT, and a 26 year old DL coming off two injury plagued unproductive seasons, it's pretty obvious that they are always going to use their draft picks to help in the most immediate manner.

It's going to be a vicious cycle of older players, but it's going to be higher turnover than in the Gibbs days (at least the contract lengths suggest). And if you're not going to build through the draft, you have to consistently turn over the 34 and 35 year olds and replace them with 29 and 30 year olds.

Clearly, the Redskins have the money to win this way. Problem is, you have to hit a much higher percentage in free agency and trades than you have to hit in the draft. If you can turn just 60% of your draft picks into quality players, you can miss terribly on the other 40% and it doesn't much matter. If you're missing on more than 10% of your FA acquisitions, you're putting bad players on the roster with even worse contracts, and you stay in last place.

We're building a young core as well as adding proven vets where the draft could not solidify a position. It's a good blend of older and younger players in my opinion.

Lets hope it works. I have a good feeling that it will.

Here's a list of players 30 years old or older, lots of them might not make the team and some will be gone next year:

84 Galloway, Joey WR 5-11 197 15 Ohio State 11-20-1971
93 Daniels, Phillip DE 6-5 302 14 Georgia 03-04-1973
59 Fletcher, London LB 5-10 248 12 John Carroll 05-19-1975
45 Sellers, Mike FB 6-3 268 10 Walla Walla CC 07-21-1975
78 Holliday, Vonnie DL 6-5 285 12 North Carolina 12-11-1975
55 Draft, Chris LB 5-11 233 12 Stanford 02-26-1976
3 Bidwell, Josh P 6-3 228 11 Oregon 03-13-1976
5 McNabb, Donovan QB 6-2 240 11 Syracuse 11-25-1976
85 Furrey, Mike WR 6-0 192 7 Northern Iowa 03-12-1977
61 Rabach, Casey C 6-4 288 8 Wisconsin 09-24-1977
75 Hicks, Artis G/T 6-4 314 8 Memphis 11-28-1978
96 Kemoeatu, Maake NT 6-5 364 8 Utah 01-10-1979
72 Green, Howard NT 6-2 365 6 LSU 01-12-1979
99 Carter, Andre LB 6-4 257 9 California 05-12-1979
89 Moss, Santana WR 5-10 209 9 Miami (Fla.) 06-01-1979
27 Johnson, Larry RB 6-1 231 8 Penn State 11-19-1979
71 Williams, Mike G/T 6-6 339 6 Texas 01-11-1980
8 Grossman, Rex QB 6-1 236 7 Florida 08-23-1980
66 Dockery, Derrick G 6-6 325 7 Texas 09-07-1980
31 Buchanon, Phillip CB 5-11 186 8 Miami 09-19-1980
39 Parker, Willie RB 5-10 210 6 North Carolina 11-11-1980

We're building a young core as well as adding proven vets where the draft could not solidify a position. It's a good blend of older and younger players in my opinion.

Lets hope it works. I have a good feeling that it will.There's a difference, I think, between building a young core and having the 4th overall draft choice. Trent Williams is, presumably, a franchise cornerstone on the offensive line.

But he too is here as much for "what can he do for us now?" as "who will our building blocks of the future be". That's to say: his youth is a side effect of the fact that he was the best left tackle available to us (per Shanahan, not per GTripp) at any point during the offseason.