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ethat001 06-20-2010, 12:10 PM LOVE this trade.
But in reality, are we overvaluing a couple of banged up players? We're counting on Kemo (achilles), Carriker (shoulder) & now Brown (hip) - and NONE of whom played a snap last year. If Brown was still a Pro-Bowl caliber OT, would the Saints have let him go for a possible fourth round pick? Are we missing something here?
ps. Darn you JoeRedskin!! You got me too.
skinsfan69 06-20-2010, 12:34 PM I guess I'm one of the few that really don't like this trade. The guy couldn't even get on the field cause he was hurt. So at 29 he's suppose to walk in off the street after being hurt and be a starter at LT in the NFC East? I have my doubts. It's apparent that Allen and Shanahan have 0 rebuilding plan and it's win now. Not so sure this is the best way to go.
skinsfan69 06-20-2010, 12:35 PM Excellent move; you can't guarantee that a 3rd or 4th rounder will be on the team in a few years so if we can get somebody with his level of playing for 3 or 4 years we definitely win.
Think of it this way... Rinehart vs Brown.. who would you pick?
Don't you think that it's time to stop giving away draft picks and try and develop some of our own guys? Rienhart hasn't even had a chance to get on the field.
ethat001 06-20-2010, 12:51 PM I agree. I'm still a sucker for big blockbuster signings -- but isn't this the same as the last 10 years? We're either spending too much or sending away draft picks for players..
And every year we've done this, everyone says "It's different this time."
- Albert Haynesworth (2009) - nuff said. most ppl loved this.
- Jason Taylor (2008) - last minute decision, most accepted this. he sucked.
- Brandon Lloyd/Archuleta (2006) - Gibbs did it, most accepted it. they sucked.
- Bruce Smith, Deion, Trotter, etc, etc, etc
I'm a Redskins homer, so (again) I'll say that this is "different" and I'm hopeful (perhaps we're giving up lower draft picks for good "value"). But I think we all need to realize, this is the very similar to what we've been doing for years. If the moves work, then Shanahan's a genius. If not, we'll look back and shake our heads.
When It Comes to Free Agency, Redskins Usually Aggressive (http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Free_Agency__Redskins_Usually_Aggressive_5464.jsp)
JoeRedskin 06-20-2010, 12:56 PM For this year's 2nd, and next years 3rd and 4th, we have upgraded the QB position and the line in a significant way for the next 3-5 years. We have our 1st and 2nd next year to continue the building.
Exactly. Plus we've added another 5th or 6th for next year. For me, Trent Williams and Jammal Brown as our bookends on the line with some combo of Hicks, Capers, Williams and Heyer as our backups is much more appealing than whatever we had last year (sans a healthy Samuels of course).
JoeRedskin 06-20-2010, 01:08 PM I guess I'm one of the few that really don't like this trade. The guy couldn't even get on the field cause he was hurt. So at 29 he's suppose to walk in off the street after being hurt and be a starter at LT in the NFC East? I have my doubts. It's apparent that Allen and Shanahan have 0 rebuilding plan and it's win now. Not so sure this is the best way to go.
There is clearly an effort to "win now". At the same time, the groundwork is being laid for a transition team. To me, given the dearth of talent in important areas of last year's team, it appears to me that Shanahan is attempting to create a team with which he can win games, developing talent behind the starters, and changing the culture of the club. Pretty tall order and, IMO, being carried out in a very methodical way.
Last year's O-line was old and lacked talent. True, 29 is not an optimal age BUT unlike the line of the last few years we will actually have some young talent to go with the older vets. Plus, we have drafted developmental lineman for the future (Capers, Cook). Rhinehart hasn't made it to the field despite many opportunities to do so. Maybe that was coaching, maybe that was talent, I am betting if he performs well and shows he can do the job, he gets the RG slot.
For this year's 2nd, and next years 3rd and 4th, we have upgraded the QB position and the line in a significant way for the next 3-5 years. We have our 1st and 2nd next year to continue the building.
As Tripp said, hopefully, we get to the point where people are trading with us, but it will take a while given how far we have to go.
Son Of Man 06-20-2010, 01:10 PM Well, that F'ing sucks!!!
Brown failed his physical. Jammal's hip injury apparently worse than was let on.
ESPN: Brown fails physical, trade to Redskins nixed (http://www.yougotrickrolled.com/)
That was Awesome!!!!
johno 06-20-2010, 01:20 PM How many former 1st rounders are on this O line now? I count T.Williams, M.Williams, J.Brown. Is that all? Certainly collecting those guys these days.
SmootSmack 06-20-2010, 01:34 PM Exactly. Plus we've added another 5th or 6th for next year. For me, Trent Williams and Jammal Brown as our bookends on the line with some combo of Hicks, Capers, Williams and Heyer as our backups is much more appealing than whatever we had last year (sans a healthy Samuels of course).
Whoops. I meant to quote you JoeRedskin, not edit your own post. Note, the above post was written by me, not by JoeRedskin...though he certainly agrees with what I wrote
SmootSmack 06-20-2010, 01:45 PM And Levi Jones is still out there, though I think it's less likely we bring him back now
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