WP: Haynesworth will skip minicamp, wants trade

KI - if you cut him he gets what he wants, and MS looks doubly the idiot ESPECIALLY if the 3-4 fails to work. You put him on the bench, say we paid you a hefty sum, and now this is what we expect. If the 3-4 doesn't work, you have switch to the 4-3 and everyone "wins" in a bad situation. If the 3-4 does work, after a sufficient cooling off period, you put him in like you were going to, in the 4-3 situations and back up Kemo when he needs rest. If AH just never shows up, you file paperwork to get your money back and make him sit out a year. Just cutting him is IMO, a weak lazy response to getting through this situation.

Agreed, no way they should cut him. Go after his bonus and let his ass sit out.

At this point, I want us to NOT trade him and just fine his a** everytime he misses something. I know everyone thinks Snyder is a joke, but honestly after hearing what Shannahan gave AH as options (i.e. don't take the money and we will trade you) and then he takes the money anyway???? Dan Snyder got screwed and that's just wrong, I don't care how you feel about Dan Snyder.

The Skins can get their money back by just fineing his butt into eternity for everything he misses.

I respect London Fletcher and the stuff he has said about AH is probably right on. London wants guys he can depend on and London is a real class act. Wow, AH could learn a lot form London Fletcher.

If he doesn't show up, we can go after him for failure to live up to the contract. What is a waste is to pay 21Mill and then not try to get him to honor it.

^^ If he "doesn't show up" either figuratively or literallly, he is not going to get his 100M. There are provisions in the CBA that let the Skins recoup their money (I am assuming that the contract incorporates the terms of the CBA applicable at the time of signing even if it is now expired). But if he shows up and goes half assed, the CBA lets the Skins recoup their money. If he doesn't show, he forfeits substantial amounts of the contract.

Besides, do you want to set the precedent that the current Denver regime is following? Whine enough (a' la Cutler & Marshall) and we will send you away.

Nope, pay him to ride the pine and call it a bad business decision. If he doesn't give the requisite level of effort, fine him for everything and anything you can, call him out at meetings & in the press (avoiding slander of course), make his professional life as miserable as you legally can. All the while saying, smiling and telling him daily "hope you're enjoying your money. Now, go sit on the pine."

KI - if you cut him he gets what he wants, and MS looks doubly the idiot ESPECIALLY if the 3-4 fails to work. You put him on the bench, say we paid you a hefty sum, and now this is what we expect. If the 3-4 doesn't work, you have switch to the 4-3 and everyone "wins" in a bad situation. If the 3-4 does work, after a sufficient cooling off period, you put him in like you were going to, in the 4-3 situations and back up Kemo when he needs rest. If AH just never shows up, you file paperwork to get your money back and make him sit out a year. Just cutting him is IMO, a weak lazy response to getting through this situation.

I understand your position. I think you're coming at this from the POV of how to make the best use of a valuable asset. On the other hand, my POV is that there is a spirit and a unity on this team that we haven't seen for a while and I just wouldn't want to see AH come back in here and upset the apple cart with his bad attitude and lack of cooperation with his coaches and teammates.

He's a bad teammate. He'll never be satisfied with his role. He'll never play the defense the coaches call. He doesn't care about winning, despite his claims to the contrary. As talented as he is, he's not worth having around if he drags down the rest of the team. I don't think he will necessarily be cut. He may be traded for a ham sandwich.

As far as his not showing up for training camp, NFW would he not show up. It's all about the money for him and not showing up would create his first real exposure to losing the $21M bonus. I have accepted the possibility that this POS may get away with stealing tens of millions of dollars from our beloved team but I won't accept the possibility that he could be allowed to continue fouling our locker room with his toxic presence. After all, for me, as a fan, it's all about winning and supporting my team. He doesn't care about either of those things, so I don't want him here.

If he doesn't show up, we can go after him for failure to live up to the contract. What is a waste is to pay 21Mill and then not try to get him to honor it.

CRedskinsRule, I know you want AH to "honor" his contract, but at this point he would just be going through the motions and not really be trying, which is what London Fletcher is talking about. Either you are all in, or you are out, I think.

If he doesn't show up, we can go after him for failure to live up to the contract. What is a waste is to pay 21Mill and then not try to get him to honor it.

We can also suspend him a la Keyshawn and TO. Then he cannot be a distraction because everyone will know that he effectively is not on the team.

^^ If he "doesn't show up" either figuratively or literallly, he is not going to get his 100M. There are provisions in the CBA that let the Skins recoup their money (I am assuming that the contract incorporates the terms of the CBA applicable at the time of signing even if it is now expired). But if he shows up and goes half assed, the CBA lets the Skins recoup their money. If he doesn't show, he forfeits substantial amounts of the contract.

Besides, do you want to set the precedent that the current Denver regime is following? Whine enough (a' la Cutler & Marshall) and we will send you away.

Nope, pay him to ride the pine and call it a bad business decision. If he doesn't give the requisite level of effort, fine him for everything and anything you can, call him out at meetings & in the press (avoiding slander of course), make his professional life as miserable as you legally can. All the while saying, smiling and telling him daily "hope you're enjoying your money. Now, go sit on the pine."

Yeah, there was a good quote in one of these articles that said something like, "Make him sit on the bench and become everything he doesn't want to be: unproductive and forgotten." Beautiful.

Just as an aside, isn't it possible that Rogers and McIntosh are following these proceedings and watching how the new regime handles things? If Shanahan and Allen are playing hardball with Haynesworth and his 100M contract, you think Rogers and McIntosh might think twice before trying to draw a line in the sand?

Forgive me if someone else said the same thing.
But how is this different from any other hold out from any other team from years past?

We all know the scenario. Player unhappy, player sits out voluntary OTA's, player sits out mini camp. Player demands trade.

Training camp rolls around. Player fails to show for first day. Player fails to show for second day. Player fails to show on third day. Team hits player with fines for not showing up.

Now the holdout is affecting the players back account. Player shows up on day 5, kisses and makes up with cocach. Team waives fines. Player joins team mates on field, apoligizes and swears allegance to team.

Seen it a hundred times in the past (Ochocinco comes immediatley to mind). The player will continue to kick and scream for a trade, calling out the origanization. And at this point what has it cost the player? NOTHING. He is still getting paid, he has not been fined, he is not facing any discipline. He has lost nothing.

Then, when he skips training camp days and NOW it starts costing HIM money, I assure you he will have a change of heart.

If any of these hold out players in the league were truly sincere in the demands to be traded, then, they should buy out the remainder of thier contract. If they really dont want to be there, if money is not the issue, then they should put thier money where thier mouth is and show some good faith on thier part and repay the organization the money they have paid out.

Promise you this is very very rare. I have never heard of this happening except in baseball and basketball. I've never seen it in the NFL.

So I am willing to bet that AH will kick and scream all the way up until he starts getting fined. Then he will have an "epiphany" and report to camp. Just sit back and watch.