should we have traded ramsey to miami?

I agree...I think the fact that he's not starting despite Brunell's abysmal play is killing his trade value.

If we trade Ramsey, I would say we would get no better than a third rounder.

knowing brunell would be throwing for under 100 yards per game? hell no i wouldn't trade ramsey... i really don't know why he isn't playing now though... i've heard all the excuses, but i'm not buying it... in his limited time he threw the team's longest pass (playing time <15min, brunell - much much more) and did throw up a lot of yards and 2 TDs (if 50/50 had landed on heads instead of tails)...

i'll be looking to see what happens, but i'd really love to see him play... i really rather not go from brunell to hasslebeck or some draft rookie next year (though either would probably be an improvement) when ramsey is ready and willing... i don't think he gets traded.

I would stick with Ramsey until the end of his contract, but after that, he's gone. One thing I don't appreciate from the our QB's is that I never see them talking to the WR's to discuss the different routes. Brunell and Ramsey are standing together and Coles and company are just chillin' on the bench. But you don't see that with the QB's on winning teams like Peyton Manning, Ben Rothlisberger or Chad Pennigton. These guys are going over plays and even getting in the faces of their WR's because of their dedication to win. You know Tom Tupa can throw a ball too ya know.
Do you think that Brunnel not talking to his receivers has anything to do with them maybe not liking him? Maybe they have had enough of him and want Ramsey back and now just keep thier distance. I remember some comments early on from Coles where he expressed some dissappointment that the pass first system he signed up for was being replaced by a run first system being run by a guy with a dump off arm.

I distinctly remember Ramsey and Coles sitting beside each other on the bench last year.


Me too.

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Yeah. And that was after Ramsey had one of his worst game's last year ( vs Philledalphia ), and we were talking about how nice it was not to see a WR blowing up at his QB while he was struggling.

I believe BrunellFan and smootsmack are both right. Hindsight is 20/20, and the trade would have been for Miami's 2004 first rounder, not next year's pick. At the time I would have disagreed with the move, considering Ramsey's bright potential and relatively low contract value-- plus the fact they probably would have used the pick on another quarterback-- and I would disagree with the move even now, for the same reasons.

Right now, the Redskins have one big $40+ million mistake at QB. If they had made that move, there's a chance they'd now have two of them. If not an expensive rookie, then another expensive veteran.

Trading away Ramsey would have only compounded the error of trading for Brunell, and would have only extended the excruciating waiting period for another quarterback to be prepared enough in Gibb's opinion to replace Brunell as the starter.

I'm pretty sure that the deal was the Dolphins 1st round pick from 2004, so the 20th overall. I like Ramsey and wouldn't have traded him, but I can't shake this feeling that he's not playing because Gibbs wants to preserve the image of what Ramsey can accomplish to potential trade suitors in the offseason.

yeah, i guess you are probably right smootsmack. that deal was discussed prior to the draft last year.

If Ramsey was really on the block we would have had more team's offering up a #1 at least, than just Miami, you don't think team's saw his potential moving the ball with no protection whatsoever under SS? Gm's all over the league would have been thinking to themselves what could this kid do with protection even if it was minimal?

Bottom line Ramsey is better than Bree's and has proven to be better over his first 2 year's, case and point, after last season which QB would have been more coveted by other NFL team's? Not even a question Ramsey, now that Ramsey is sitting the bench because Gibb's can't swallow the Brunell blunder all of a sudden he can't play? Im just tired of hearing the old monday morning grass is alway's greener on the other side of the fence QB's.

Ramsey only played once this year, in a sub situation. Granted he sucked but its a tough situation to put someone it, trying to come from behind. If Ramsey got some starts and played the full game I think our offense will be much more productive and we can run with him for years to come.