Raiders Want Their Money Back from Russell

I agree. While JR was a bust, it was a contract and they both agreed to it. Russell was willing to fulfill his end and be their QB (although not a good one). The Raiders need to honor their end of the deal.

I also think the problem with NFL contracts is they are never what they appear to be. If a player isn't performing, the team can cut him and not pay the future years. Then, if a player out performs his contract and holds out for more money, all you hear is how he signed the contract and should honor it.

I hate that, look at Chris Johnson he needs to get paid somehow incentive based or something but Tenn. are a bunch of tight asses.

I hope JaMarcus doesnt have to pay shit back.

Maybe the first time he left because of imminent talent deficit but the second time I really think pulling that team through the Sean Taylor tragedy took a lot out of him on personal level. Sean was his first pick with the team for his second go round, Gibbs tried so hard to help Sean turn things around in his life, and see all that work end the way that it did I think coming back for another year would have been too much, I mean to see a career and a life end like that when so much progress had been made has to be disheartening and then to be the guy that a team looks to for guidance after the situation that took a toll....off topic I know but I don't fault Gibbs for leaving the second time and I think he earned his money.

I agree. Joe Gibbs doesn't need to pay back anything. He earned every cent he ever made with the Redskins. The man wasn't perfect but he was the best thing this franchise ever had.

Hey, I think a lot of players, and coaches, should be paying money back to the owners if they didn't at least try their best on the field. Even Coach Gibbs should have given Danny some of his salary back because he left (both times) when he saw the talent level drying up. Vinny Cerrato should have given all his money back! Ditto for Zorn.

Are you a Skins fan?

Doesn't Davis still owe Shanahan money?

Yeah, although Probably too late to sue. I can't believe he didn't even try to get that money. I saw that on the nfl.com "In His Own Words" video (which was great btw.)
For those that don't know, Davis told Shanahan that when he left he could go anywhere but to Denver and he'd still pay him the money he owed him.

maybe shanahan saw it as monkey's paw money

Hey, I think a lot of players, and coaches, should be paying money back to the owners if they didn't at least try their best on the field. Even Coach Gibbs should have given Danny some of his salary back because he left (both times) when he saw the talent level drying up. Vinny Cerrato should have given all his money back! Ditto for Zorn.

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Hey, I think a lot of players, and coaches, should be paying money back to the owners if they didn't at least try their best on the field. Even Coach Gibbs should have given Danny some of his salary back because he left (both times) when he saw the talent level drying up. Vinny Cerrato should have given all his money back! Ditto for Zorn.

How do you know those guys werent trying their best? I suspect they were even though they didnt get the results wanted.

What I love most is the owner believes in contracts when it benifits him but chooses to over look it when it doesn't.

I can see Davis now "hey the contract says you'd work for 6 yrs at 1 mill a yr, I don't care if you think you deserve more."

or "hey we paid you a ton of money and got little reward, I don't care what the contract says you didn't earn it."

Here's hoping that a scenario directly parallel to this one in Oakland does not play itself out in Washington with Albert Haynesworth as the central figure...

Some of the elements are in place:

1. Lots of money paid up front as guaranteed $$$ to player.

2. Player seems not overly dedicated to physical fitness/weight control.

3. First year results less than stellar...

Al Davis done lost his f'ing mind a long time. Nothing he Raiders do surprises me...if he said I'm moving the Raiders to the Philippines tomorrow I wouldn't be shocked.

Everyone knew he was over paying for mediocre talent and I remember a story about one of the coach discouraging him from drafting Russell. Pay the man, and cut you losses Al, lord knows you ain't never gonna win in court.