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freddyg12 05-11-2010, 12:29 PM Anything could happen with a new staff I guess, but Doughty has really turned into a solid player, I don't see him getting cut. He's the kind of hard working overachiever coaches love.
I'm hoping for big things from Moore. It's time for him to step up and contribute.
agree on both counts. I also think Horton has been pretty solid & both he & Reed contribute on spec. teams.
BigHairedAristocrat 05-11-2010, 12:39 PM I'd cut Landry before I'd cut either one of them. They're cheaper and just as good, maybe better.
Theyre definitely cheaper, but neither of them even approaches being as talented as Landry.
Ruhskins 05-11-2010, 12:42 PM I don't agree w/that. Apparently he wasn't traded because teams wouldn't meet the skins demands. If there is still the desire to trade him & someone meets demands, it will get done & it could be good for us. A training camp injury could spur some offers a la the J. Taylor trade in 08, only we would hopefully be on the better end this time.
given Allen's fiscal discipline to this point, I think he's set the trade bar for AH fairly high realizing that the danny has already spent a lot of $ on him. If we can't get value for him then they'll just try & get their money's worth on the field.
This is the ideal trade: AH for J. Brown & NO pays us a portion of Brown's signing bonus in a new deal w/the skins.
These demands were not met before the draft, and given Shanahan's "win now" attitude, he's not going to settle for future compensation. Part of the reason why Jason Campbell was trade for peanuts to Oakland, was because teams could have easily waited until he was cut (since there was no way he was going to stay in the team). Trading Haynesworth right now would probably not result in the compensation we want or need, and it would seem like an act of desperation.
In the draft you had teams that needed d-linemen for 4-3 defenses that could have easily trade for AH, and it would have made sense. Tampa Bay could have traded their 2nd rounder for Haynesworth, and picked up Eric Berry with the 3rd overall. Hell, the Lions could have gotten Haynesworth with their 2nd and still get Suh with their first rounder, given them the MOST ridiculous d-line in history. But I believe they didn't because they either: A.) had the sense that Haynesworth was a "problem" for the Redskins and could sit and wait or B.) the team (unlike a lot of ppl here) does not think Haynesworth is a problem and they were just getting feelers on what they would get for him (in case someone gave us an offer we couldn't refuse).
Chico23231 05-11-2010, 12:48 PM Reed, Horton & Laron IMO are all SS the only FS is Kareem. Horton & Reed don't have the speed to play FS IMO they would really need to know their assignments & trust their teammates in order for them to play FS.
I agree with this...and simply would add....Is Kareem a starter right now in this league?
I dont think so, and by the time the season begins I say we are starting someone else not mentioned. Most likely a cut player.
freddyg12 05-11-2010, 12:57 PM These demands were not met before the draft, and given Shanahan's "win now" attitude, he's not going to settle for future compensation. Part of the reason why Jason Campbell was trade for peanuts to Oakland, was because teams could have easily waited until he was cut (since there was no way he was going to stay in the team). Trading Haynesworth right now would probably not result in the compensation we want or need, and it would seem like an act of desperation.
In the draft you had teams that needed d-linemen for 4-3 defenses that could have easily trade for AH, and it would have made sense. Tampa Bay could have traded their 2nd rounder for Haynesworth, and picked up Eric Berry with the 3rd overall. Hell, the Lions could have gotten Haynesworth with their 2nd and still get Suh with their first rounder, given them the MOST ridiculous d-line in history. But I believe they didn't because they either: A.) had the sense that Haynesworth was a "problem" for the Redskins and could sit and wait or B.) the team (unlike a lot of ppl here) does not think Haynesworth is a problem and they were just getting feelers on what they would get for him (in case someone gave us an offer we couldn't refuse).
Which means they would be open to trading him. We're saying the same thing essentially, you just think that it would have to be an "offer we couldn't refuse." Thats relative, so I guess I could agree w/that. If a 1st round pick is offered, I think they would do it.
The most likely trade scenario IMO is if Minn., NO or another 4-3 team w/super bowl caliber roster has a preseason injury to one of their DTs, they might be willing to give up a lot & AH will be happy to play in a 4-3, so his agent would work hard to make the deal happen.
53Fan 05-11-2010, 01:06 PM Anything could happen with a new staff I guess, but Doughty has really turned into a solid player, I don't see him getting cut. He's the kind of hard working overachiever coaches love.
I'm hoping for big things from Moore. It's time for him to step up and contribute.
This.
Trample the Elderly 05-11-2010, 01:45 PM Theyre definitely cheaper, but neither of them even approaches being as talented as Landry.
That's rich. I guess getting beasted on MNF is talent. Landry is a bum!
skinsfan69 05-11-2010, 03:04 PM Free safety is going to be a huge question mark. I'm just glad they're not putting Landry back there anymore cause he was terrible last year. Maybe Moore will take the bull by the horns. He's shown some flashes so we'll see.
redskins121684 05-11-2010, 03:10 PM Haslett's defense don't historically follow the FS and SS roles the way that we historically think of them. He usually puts a closed safety (more like a SS) close to the LOS with deep responsiblity falling on the corner helping him. Laron would be ideal here, looking at his added bulk Haslett may have clued him into this idea early on. Then Laron doesn't have to worry about being the deep help, he'll play short zones and blitz and (hopefully) wrap up some running backs. Reed would not be ideal here b/c he is smaller and he does have some range to provide coverage deeper so playing the Open safety spot is probably where he fits in although comparing the two I'd say Reed is a better tackler. Laron is definitely faster than Reed but Laron also has an extremely aggressive nature, if you cater to that then you put him as close to the action as you can -- that means he plays the closed position and has no deep responsibility to worry about. Moore is really the only player on the roster right now who could step in and do the things that Haslett likes his deep safeties to do. Reed might be too slow, Holmes is completely unproven and I have no idea what he is capable of, Laron really cannot play at this position he's too aggressive and that isn't something you should coach out of a player and given his goal of 240 lbs he'd be better playing close to the line.
freddyg12 05-11-2010, 03:26 PM Haslett's defense don't historically follow the FS and SS roles the way that we historically think of them. He usually puts a closed safety (more like a SS) close to the LOS with deep responsiblity falling on the corner helping him. Laron would be ideal here, looking at his added bulk Haslett may have clued him into this idea early on. Then Laron doesn't have to worry about being the deep help, he'll play short zones and blitz and (hopefully) wrap up some running backs. Reed would not be ideal here b/c he is smaller and he does have some range to provide coverage deeper so playing the Open safety spot is probably where he fits in although comparing the two I'd say Reed is a better tackler. Laron is definitely faster than Reed but Laron also has an extremely aggressive nature, if you cater to that then you put him as close to the action as you can -- that means he plays the closed position and has no deep responsibility to worry about. Moore is really the only player on the roster right now who could step in and do the things that Haslett likes his deep safeties to do. Reed might be too slow, Holmes is completely unproven and I have no idea what he is capable of, Laron really cannot play at this position he's too aggressive and that isn't something you should coach out of a player and given his goal of 240 lbs he'd be better playing close to the line.
good analysis, thanks for posting. They said good things about Holmes last year & he's still around to compete for a spot, maybe he catches on as a backup deep safety?
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