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CRedskinsRule 05-17-2010, 11:33 AM DETROIT – Seven-year-old Aiyana Jones was asleep on the living room sofa in her family's apartment when Detroit police searching for a homicide suspect burst in and an officer's gun went off, fatally striking the girl in the neck, family members say.
Her father, 25-year-old Charles Jones, told The Detroit News he had just gone to bed early Sunday after covering his daughter with her favorite Disney princess blanket when he heard a flash grenade followed by a gunshot. When he rushed into the living room, he said, police forced him to lie on the ground, with his face in his daughter's blood.
"I'll never be the same. That's my only daughter," Jones told WXYZ-TV.
Assistant Chief Ralph Godbee said officers set off the flash grenade as they entered the apartment with their guns drawn about 12:40 a.m.
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Family members identified the woman as the child's grandmother and Charles Jones' mother, Mertilla Jones, who has said she was not involved in a struggle with the officer. Police later said the officer may have just collided with the woman.
no excuse imo
jdlea 05-17-2010, 11:33 AM I never excused the death of this child and I was actually making the point that this happens everyday but no one seems to care when its just gang stuff. Now that a cop has shot the kid by accident everyone is making a big issue of this. If your going to bitch about an accident then be consitent and bitch about killing of children. The cops where actually after a guy who had killed a kid and where was the out cry about that murder. Sense we invaded Iraq we have had around 135,000 murders in the US but no one never seems to get all worked up over many of those murders. It can be said that our service men are safer in Iraq then in some of our city neighborhoods but we ignore that violence and lost of children.
Well, I am consistent and I get worked up over the killing of every child I hear about, I just don't usually address it on a message board. I don't think there's ever any excuse for it.
In regards to getting worked up over every murder, I'm consistent on that as well, I only ever get worked up when innocents are killed. I have no problem with gang members/drug dealers killing each other so long as they're accurate when they decide to shoot at each other areas where others may be harmed.
As for the "excusing the death of a child" comment, if that was not your intention, I apologize, it just seems that you're taking a bit of a laissez faire attitude as it pertains to the killing of a kid.
jdlea 05-17-2010, 11:38 AM Not following you...
I'm not excusing anyone
Like I said to FD, if that was not your attention, I apologize, but you're taking a very nonchalant approach to the killing of a 7 year old. The "he has to live with it excuse" is pretty horrendous, IMO.
As to your other points, in later posts. Yes, the raid procedure should be re-evaluated, probably eliminated, IMO.
Yes, the guy gave the police a reason to raid his home, however, the raid was poorly executed. IMO, the blame falls on the officers who raided that home, so I can't say there's plenty of blame to go around.
Chico23231 05-17-2010, 11:41 AM no excuse imo
Yep...."police may have collided with woman"....just go ahead f*cking say it Detriot PD, the woman action did not lead to the shooting of the girl. Sounds like police reaching for excuses...
To comment on the blame, anybody harboring a dangerous fugitive is asking for alot of trouble, and if they knew already of what the person did then they should be ashamed, but the shooting of child just shows the even though accidental the community should be outraged.
CRedskinsRule 05-17-2010, 11:44 AM The entire raid procedure needs to be reevaluated from the top down, wouldn't you agree?
And at the heart of it, this guy gave the police a reason to raid his place, no? We're not talking about an innocent civilian.
And if there was a struggle upon the police entering that's a factor as well.
I'm not clear on how the cops are the only ones to blame.
Simple, because they chose the time and place. It sounds like she was burned by the flash bang. In other words, the cops were overly aggressive, they didn't check out the possible surroundings, and didn't know the occupants of the house. The police have backed off the "struggle" and say the officer may simply have collided with a 46 yo grandma.
Like I said to FD, if that was not your attention, I apologize, but you're taking a very nonchalant approach to the killing of a 7 year old. The "he has to live with it excuse" is pretty horrendous, IMO.
As to your other points, in later posts. Yes, the raid procedure should be re-evaluated, probably eliminated, IMO.
Yes, the guy gave the police a reason to raid his home, however, the raid was poorly executed. IMO, the blame falls on the officers who raided that home, so I can't say there's plenty of blame to go around.
Look, a 7 year old died. That's F'ing horrible. Not denying that at all. The whole thing was a cluster F. My only point is we shouldn't be so quick to pile on the cops especially without knowing all the facts.
For the cop who killed the kid, it's not an excuse, just saying he's gotta live with that. It's F'ing terrible all around.
mlmdub130 05-17-2010, 12:02 PM The entire raid procedure needs to be reevaluated from the top down, wouldn't you agree?
And at the heart of it, this guy gave the police a reason to raid his place, no? We're not talking about an innocent civilian.
And if there was a struggle upon the police entering that's a factor as well.
I'm not clear on how the cops are the only ones to blame.
it was a duplex and from what i hear he was arrested in the opposite house but police had a search warrant for the entire unit and thats why they are saying he was arrested in the house.
also i have read and stated before that the neighbor all allegedy told the police there were kids in the house before they entered.
it remains to be seen if the cops are the only ones to blame. if in fact they had no reason for being in that side of the duplex, that means the family of the little girl did absolutly nothing wrong. i'm sure we will find out more details very shortly
CRedskinsRule 05-17-2010, 12:15 PM Yep...."police may have collided with woman"....just go ahead f*cking say it Detriot PD, the woman action did not lead to the shooting of the girl. Sounds like police reaching for excuses...
To comment on the blame, anybody harboring a dangerous fugitive is asking for alot of trouble, and if they knew already of what the person did then they should be ashamed, but the shooting of child just shows the even though accidental the community should be outraged.
Actually, coming out and saying it was a collision not a tussle is starting to acknowledge they were wrong. The main problem I have is with the timing and what would seem to be a lack of awareness as to what innocents might be in the harms way with this strike.
firstdown 05-17-2010, 12:20 PM Its sad and mistakes happen but where is the rage form the people living in the city with 365 murders in 2008 and tops the nation in murder rate. Oh its "No Snitch" when its a gang member or a common crook but have a cop make a mistake and they suddenly find their rage.
mlmdub130 05-17-2010, 12:22 PM Actually, coming out and saying it was a collision not a tussle is starting to acknowledge they were wrong. The main problem I have is with the timing and what would seem to be a lack of awareness as to what innocents might be in the harms way with this strike.
like say throwing a flash bang through a window where it hits a sleeping girl i think they really s the bed on this one and actually just read something interesting Detroit Police say the accidental shooting of little girl may have been caught on tape by a crew filming for the Cable TV show, "The First 48." will be very interesting if thats the case, wonder if that had anything to do with possibly under planning the details of the raid
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