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GMScud 05-18-2010, 01:41 AM It's not too often I side with PFT/Florio, but this is dead on IMO:
Haynesworth was promised before signing he could attack the quarterback when he came to Washington. The Redskins even considered trying to bring his old Titans defensive line coach Jim Washburn to town. Haynesworth had Snyder's ear.
Now that's all changed. He's being asked to occupy blockers, and he can't go around the coaches to get to Snyder anymore.
To this, we say: grow up. Things in life happen that are bigger than you. Coaches get fired, schemes change.
The Haynesworth camp would be better off not giving his side of the story.
Haynesworth feels "deceived" by Redskins | ProFootballTalk.com (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/05/17/haynesworth-feels-deceived-by-redskins/)
warpaint 05-18-2010, 01:54 AM Andre Johnson of Houston Texans skips workout - ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5195587)
So how does AH for AJ feel. Its way better than the whole 3rd rounder or 4th bullshit. Maybe its a reach, well it is a reach. I would be real comfortable with this move for a WR, and now he is disgruntled maybe there could be something here. The coaches are all very close and personable we need a WR they could use a beast like AH. Maybe we can get AJ for a Moss and someone else they need help with their running game. We can sign B. Westbrook and trade any of the other 3 with Moss attached. Just a thought.
ethat001 05-18-2010, 02:11 AM It's not too often I side with PFT/Florio, but this is dead on IMO:
The Haynesworth camp would be better off not giving his side of the story.
Haynesworth feels "deceived" by Redskins | ProFootballTalk.com (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/05/17/haynesworth-feels-deceived-by-redskins/)
I agree, but to be clear, Haynesworth hasn't said anything yet. JLC is putting words in his mouth to stir up trouble. We're being "deceived"...
GTripp0012 05-18-2010, 02:56 AM It's not too often I side with PFT/Florio, but this is dead on IMO:
Haynesworth was promised before signing he could attack the quarterback when he came to Washington. The Redskins even considered trying to bring his old Titans defensive line coach Jim Washburn to town. Haynesworth had Snyder's ear.
Now that's all changed. He's being asked to occupy blockers, and he can't go around the coaches to get to Snyder anymore.
To this, we say: grow up. Things in life happen that are bigger than you. Coaches get fired, schemes change.
The Haynesworth camp would be better off not giving his side of the story.
Haynesworth feels "deceived" by Redskins | ProFootballTalk.com (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/05/17/haynesworth-feels-deceived-by-redskins/)There really isn't a side of the story to give. There was a voluntary mini-camp. He's on a workout regiment in Tennessee that, in his estimation, prevented him from going.
I guess his side of the story might be "I'm a better player for not going". A lot of fans would call bs on that, I suppose. Saying "he should have been there" is too broad for my tastes. Maybe the best argument against Haynesworth's actions is that his head coach thought he should be there.
I guess I can see the selfishness in trying to make yourself the best player you can be (at the expense of...well, something), but I don't know. This is pretty ridiculous that the fans and media are more worked up about this than the Redskins are.
CRedskinsRule 05-18-2010, 08:00 AM Haynesworth would never do anything that could be proven as a "faked" injury, and how can you really prove he was playing halfheartedly? You could point to certain plays on film and say he wasn't giving his best, but tanking and faking injuries will only further derail his future earnings. Sure he dicked around last year as far as practice and injury exaggeration, but he knew he was ridiculously paid no matter what. I don't know contractual legalese, but I doubt you can add a clause that involves salary reduction based on perceived lack of effort on gamedays, or fake injuries.
He'll have to toe the Shanahan line at some point if he wants to be successful here and/or get another big payday from another team. Or maybe he's content with what he's earned so far and he half-asses his way through the rest of his career. I hope it's the former, but I certainly wouldn't be surprised if it was the latter.
I just hope my boss doesn't include a salary reduction for time spent on the warpath, and days I called in with a "cough". (ok, i haven't called in in the last year, but the warpath deduction would probably take my whole salary:eek:)
over the mountain 05-18-2010, 12:18 PM I dont know if posting articles talking aobut other players not attending mandatories really helps your cause when those players are sitting out for contract reasons.
tryfuhl 05-18-2010, 12:27 PM There really isn't a side of the story to give. There was a voluntary mini-camp. He's on a workout regiment in Tennessee that, in his estimation, prevented him from going.
I guess his side of the story might be "I'm a better player for not going". A lot of fans would call bs on that, I suppose. Saying "he should have been there" is too broad for my tastes. Maybe the best argument against Haynesworth's actions is that his head coach thought he should be there.
I guess I can see the selfishness in trying to make yourself the best player you can be (at the expense of...well, something), but I don't know. This is pretty ridiculous that the fans and media are more worked up about this than the Redskins are.
Indeed.. but what head coach wouldn't say that?
As far as worst argument.. DS is disappointed. Non-story considering everyone wanted him not to have personnel input. Sure he signs the checks but whatever.
As far as the comparisons to players holding out for contracts in other posts, that's not what's going on obviously in this case, nor does it appear that AH will actually be holding out.
BigHairedAristocrat 05-18-2010, 12:43 PM Haynesworth is sitting out because Shanahan said he was the redskins starting NT and he doesnt want to play NT. Yes, he's also made comments that Haynesworth will be moved around, but at the end of the day, he's the NT and thats the last thing in the world he wants to do. He feels "deceived" beacuse his current situation is completely different than what it was a year ago. Well, he needs to get over it. he can play chicken with Shanahan and Allen all he wants, but he's never going to win. If he's traded, it won't be because he's being a punk.
Hopefully, someone close to him will get his mind straight. whatever role he ends up playing for the team, we'll be much better with him than without him. And if Haynesworth really wants out, his best chance at getting traded is to disprove those of us who think he's a selfish diva who only wants money and play hard. Then, and only then, he might be able to show other teams that he's worth giving up whatever it is we'd insist on in a trade. Who knows, he might even find that being a NT isn't that bad.
tryfuhl 05-18-2010, 12:45 PM Haynesworth is sitting out because Shanahan said he was the redskins starting NT and he doesnt want to play NT.
I didn't even read past this because it itself was incorrect. Do you just ignore every time it's posted that he had already planned his offseason program before the new regime and staff were in? Or do you just choose to conveniently ignore it?
CRedskinsRule 05-18-2010, 12:48 PM I dont know if posting articles talking aobut other players not attending mandatories really helps your cause when those players are sitting out for contract reasons.
I think it does, in the sense that these camps, while helpful, are not the tell tale sign of success in the upcoming season. A disgruntled player is a disgruntled player regardless of the reason. In Johnson's case, they just renegotiated 2 years ago, and now he see's Marshall get paid, and wants more. But I am fairly positive he will be on the roster and playing to his level, just as I am sure AH will be too.
These OTA/minicamps seem like they were purposely included so that players could use them to express displeasure with the FO. I know that's not the case, but if a player is unhappy or wants to make a non-binding statement, this has become the acceptable way to express it.
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