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Dirtbag59 05-12-2010, 03:20 AM And another thing, NFL sources saying they could see Haynesworth having no problem playing for the Vikings is NOT the same thing as Haynesworth telling close associates he want to play for the Vikings
I have no problem playing Center Fielder for the Yankees.
tryfuhl 05-12-2010, 03:21 AM Well, after re-reading my post, I did make it quite a bit about PD, whereas I really wanted the focus to be on AH's lack of focus. Anyway, regardless of PD, the facts remain about Ain'tworth.
Yeah I knew that you meant it was more of a general consensus type deal, but thought that I'd expound.. and it was in a year where Phil was seen as possibly being cut, so I focused on that as relevant
I'm not sure that any of us know what his work ethic is.. and when a 210lb receiver and a 350lb DT have ankle issues for example, it may sideline one more than the other
AH still had more snaps than any other d-lineman I believe, at least DT
we've still got plenty of Portis apologists and he sat out of practice for whatever
for AH it's whatever he shows when he shows.. I highly doubt that it's going to be a lack of conditioning
like I've tried to state a million times, it's been reported that his offseason plans have been formed before our new regime was in place... this is a guy who came out and publicly said that despite his role in helping others achieve glory he didn't feel like he was earning his salary or his stats.. he said I'm getting paid 100m and don't feel like I'm showing my worth..
until I see him flop on those statements that he made after the season I'm not going to doubt or judge him
fact is we don't have another player of his status especially in relation to his weight, position, etc.. the guy may need special measures
to me him thinking that he needs to bust ass with one guy focused just on him is encouraging
I'll gladly eat crow if proven otherwise
AH working with his guy is like Tebow working with his you know ;)
GMScud 05-12-2010, 03:26 AM Yeah I knew that you meant it was more of a general consensus type deal, but thought that I'd expound.. and it was in a year where Phil was seen as possibly being cut, so I focused on that as relevant
I'm not sure that any of us know what his work ethic is.. and when a 210lb receiver and a 350lb DT have ankle issues for example, it may sideline one more than the other
AH still had more snaps than any other d-lineman I believe, at least DT
we've still got plenty of Portis apologists and he sat out of practice for whatever
for AH it's whatever he shows when he shows.. I highly doubt that it's going to be a lack of conditioning
like I've tried to state a million times, it's been reported that his offseason plans have been formed before our new regime was in place... this is a guy who came out and publicly said that despite his role in helping others achieve glory he didn't feel like he was earning his salary or his stats.. he said I'm getting paid 100m and don't feel like I'm showing my worth..
until I see him flop on those statements that he made after the season I'm not going to doubt or judge him
fact is we don't have another player of his status especially in relation to his weight, position, etc.. the guy may need special measures
to me him thinking that he needs to bust ass with one guy focused just on him is encouraging
I'll gladly eat crow if proven otherwise
AH working with his guy is like Tebow working with his you know ;)
I get what you're saying, and if I was forced to make a positive statement about Haynesworth, it would probably look like your post here. I just can't stand the guy.
As far as the Tebow comment, I have no idea what you mean.
tryfuhl 05-12-2010, 03:30 AM I get what you're saying, and if I was forced to make a positive statement about Haynesworth, it would probably look like your post here. I just can't stand the guy.
As far as the Tebow comment, I have no idea what you mean.
Tebow worked with a specialist to get ready for the draft.. aka his most important off-season appointment
AH is doing the same thing and with one that he's had proven productivity with
It's not that I'm saying AH is above the law, perfect and will own the NFL.. I'm just saying as of now there's nothing to call arms to
I'm curious as to what you can't stand about him though
GMScud 05-12-2010, 03:34 AM Tebow worked with a specialist to get ready for the draft.. aka his most important off-season appointment
AH is doing the same thing and with one that he's had proven productivity with
It's not that I'm saying AH is above the law, perfect and will own the NFL.. I'm just saying as of now there's nothing to call arms to
Well, he's the only player on the entire roster not participating, there were strong rumors he was/is trying to force a trade, he's been paid $30M+ for starting 12 games, he's unwilling to even practice thus far in a brand new defensive scheme, and players are calling him out for his me-first piss poor attitude. You need more to constitute a "call to arms?"
tryfuhl 05-12-2010, 03:40 AM as far as only player, yeah I get that.. I think that that was Landry last year.. AH made it publicly known his reasoning in advance though
as far as the trade.. who knows.. as far as the pay, not his fault.. as far as the scheme, there's really not a lot for him to learn that he can't learn from june-on I don't believe, and I'm still not seeing where this is a reason for him not showing
the biggest thing that I can focus on as far as a negative would be the initial report of him showing for the first voluntary and then the next day it came out that he wouldn't.. I don't recall word on who/where/what/why/how, etc the initial statement came out unless it was tied to him not wanting to be a distraction with the media access at the end of the session
the whole trade thing could be true.. I don't like it, but if he can manage that and a new contract then he's worked the system where a lot of guys get worked, maybe he got doubled up, but that's the risk we ran signing him to what we did I guess
I can't even remember who else is calling him out at this point
SmootSmack 05-12-2010, 08:56 AM To Pocket$ point, why are any of us really surprised that Haynesworth isn't attending these camps
KI Skins Fan 05-12-2010, 09:37 AM To Pocket$ point, why are any of us really surprised that Haynesworth isn't attending these camps
I just can't understand why he couldn't compromise just a little and attend the minicamps while continuing to work out on his own between minicamps. Honestly, I could understand that position on his part. That would seem to be reasonable and cooperative to me.
But by not bending at all under the cicumstances (a new coaching staff that is putting in a new defensive system, all of his teammates being there, the disappointing record of the team last season, etc.) he seems to me to be someone who is either just simply rebelling against authority or perhaps is trying to influence Mike Shanahan to trade him.
When I consider the strong personalities of the principle antagonists in this drama (Haynesworth and Shanahan) it's hard for me to imagine it ending with AH playing football for the Redskins. Trading Haynesworth would be the worst case scenario for me because I think that Albert is an exceptionally good football player who makes us a better team.
Longtimefan 05-12-2010, 09:49 AM I am a Godzilla supporter but I have accepted him for what he is, a selfish player and bad teammate. He is what he is. So people can complain that he is worthless and out of shape and rolls on the field blah blah blah. The bottom line is he is the most talented player on the team and the Redskins are better when he is playing. Yes he was out of shape last year (although I have yet to see a 350 pounder who is in shape...) but he did exactly what he was brought here to do.
You cannot blame Albert for the current situation. Every warning sign was there and the idiots who were running the team when he was signed (Snyder and Vinny....most likely in that order) structured his contract where the team had zero leverage. So this situation is exactly what they asked for. You don't blame the lion when he eats the trainer. So it is useless to blame Albert for what the Redskins made him.
I hope he is working hard and destroys everything in sight next year. He is not a leader, he is a terrible teammate and he has been paid to do whatever the eff he wants. Oh well, if he single handedly stops the Giants and Cowboys on 4th and 1 plays consistently, I could care less what the jealous fans and reporters say about him.
Amen!
firstdown 05-12-2010, 10:35 AM I think when AH does show up he going to become Daniels bitch.
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