Arizona's New Immigration Law

I would agree that they come here for a better life but I think we are really talking about two different groups of Mexicans. One group goes through what it takes to do it the legal way to establish a place for their family so they have a better life. The other group are the illegals that come here to make money and ship it home so their family has a better life. The second group is the one that takes away jobs and resources because everything they do is done under the table.

I really don't think it's that cut and dry. One of the main issues we haven't adequately dealt with is the INS; The path to citizenship for immigrants is broken and outdated. And so many of these people have to wait years in line, for a variety of reasons, to become legal citizens. We need to reform the system as much as we need to deal with the border issue, undocumented workers, and people that have overstayed their visas. That's why this Arizona law is a band aid at best. It's all about "catching people", but does nothing to curb the the influx of people coming across the border or encourage legal citizenship.

There has to be action at the federal level to cut at the root of the issue. But then we, too, need to know how to deal with those who have been here for years, raised families in earnest, and want to become legal citizens.

The longer we become a nation of immigrants, legal and illegal, the more difficult it will be to solve the problem. I think we can and should put millions of people on a fast track to citizenship by overhauling the INS.

Not sure I understand what the problem is. If someone is speeding, police can ask them for ID. If they are here illegally then they are in trouble.

All of the other countries of the world have consequences for illegally entering their jurisdiction. Now, most are very severe and i'd like to think we're better than countries that issue sentences like 12 years of hard labor. The fact is the US politicians really don't care who's here.

There's a process for one to gain entry to the US and we have to honor that. I'd like to think there will come a time where folks who gain access to the US actually get in some trouble or are at least sent back home.

I am really not trying to debate at all, I felt like I was agreeing :confused:

I just want to make a point you don't have to be all rolled up in Beverly Hills to be considered successful.

My bad. I completely mistook your response. Sorry

My bad. I completely mistook your response. Sorry


No worries and thanks for the lady liberty words. :headbange

I really don't think it's that cut and dry. One of the main issues we haven't adequately dealt with is the INS; The path to citizenship for immigrants is broken and outdated. And so many of these people have to wait years in line, for a variety of reasons, to become legal citizens. We need to reform the system as much as we need to deal with the border issue, undocumented workers, and people that have overstayed their visas. That's why this Arizona law is a band aid at best. It's all about "catching people", but does nothing to curb the the influx of people coming across the border or encourage legal citizenship.

There has to be action at the federal level to cut at the root of the issue. But then we, too, need to know how to deal with those who have been here for years, raised families in earnest, and want to become legal citizens.


The longer we become a nation of immigrants, legal and illegal, the more difficult it will be to solve the problem. I think we can and should put millions of people on a fast track to citizenship by overhauling the INS.
Back in 2002 they did a study and the cost to fast path all illegals would cost us billions each year to the tune of about 7,500 per person (maybe thats per family). Last time I check we did not have any money left so I guess we can just throw that on our children along with everything else. The AZ law is going to help fix the problem there but your right this is more of a federal issue.

This is a good read for what the cost for illegals back in 2002 so I'm guessing these numbers are low.
Center for Immigration Studies (http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html)

Not sure I understand what the problem is. If someone is speeding, police can ask them for ID. If they are here illegally then they are in trouble.

All of the other countries of the world have consequences for illegally entering their jurisdiction. Now, most are very severe and i'd like to think we're better than countries that issue sentences like 12 years of hard labor. The fact is the US politicians really don't care who's here.

There's a process for one to gain entry to the US and we have to honor that. I'd like to think there will come a time where folks who gain access to the US actually get in some trouble or are at least sent back home.

Well, if they are legal they still have to show papers. Why should someone --anyone-- who's a legal citizen have to show papers? And if you don't see anything wrong with that, then you see nothing wrong with this law.

I'm no legal expert, not even close. But the way I understand the law, say you have 10 (or whatever number) Mexicans in front of your business loitering or just minding their own business. A citizen can pick up the phone and order a cruiser to "investigate" the situation. And if the cops refuse the police department can be sued by said citizen.

Well, if they are legal they still have to show papers. Why should someone --anyone-- who's a legal citizen have to show papers? And if you don't see anything wrong with that, then you see nothing wrong with this law.

I'm no legal expert, not even close. But the way I understand the law, say you have 10 (or whatever number) Mexicans in front of your business loitering or just minding their own business. A citizen can pick up the phone and order a cruiser to "investigate" the situation. And if the cops refuse the police department can be sued by said citizen.

If they are just hanging out and breaking no laws then the cops don't have to act. I guess you need to know the loitering laws for AZ to answer your question.

This is a good read for what the cost for illegals back in 2002 so I'm guessing these numbers are low.
Center for Immigration Studies (http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html)

Well, if they are legal they still have to show papers. Why should someone --anyone-- who's a legal citizen have to show papers? And if you don't see anything wrong with that, then you see nothing wrong with this law.

I'm no legal expert, not even close. But the way I understand the law, say you have 10 (or whatever number) Mexicans in front of your business loitering or just minding their own business. A citizen can pick up the phone and order a cruiser to "investigate" the situation. And if the cops refuse the police department can be sued by said citizen.

On an unrelated note. Is there a statute of limitations on this? I mean suing the police for not doing their job?

On an unrelated note. Is there a statute of limitations on this? I mean suing the police for not doing their job?

Not sure, bro. Ask someone here from AZ.

If they are just hanging out and breaking no laws then the cops don't have to act. I guess you need to know the loitering laws for AZ to answer your question.

This is a good read for what the cost for illegals back in 2002 so I'm guessing these numbers are low.
Center for Immigration Studies (http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html)

What's the cost of no regualtions on Wall Street 786 billion dollars.