Arizona's New Immigration Law

Well, according to the naysayers they already get the benefits just but without paying taxes, so it could possibly be a wash.

They do get some by just living here. Kids attend school, use hospitals, and a few other things. If legal then they could access other things like unemployment, SS, etc...

They do get some by just living here. Kids attend school, use hospitals, and a few other things. If legal then they could access other things like unemployment, SS, etc...

and they would pay taxes, not be crowding the jails due to immigration policy, etc.... They still would be deported for committing crimes, but just living here wouldn't make a person an immediate criminal.

Well I live here in Phoenix and the illegal immigrant issue is a big problem. They are receiving benefits, food stamps and getting health coverage. I feel torn, as do many here in AZ, about this law. On one hand, I am all for getting control of the problem but I can also see the other side. Some law enforcement will certainly abuse this.

The way I see it, this is all that matters. I don't live in AZ so I really couldn't care less about their laws. If the people of AZ support it (which I guess is unclear right now, other than the bill becoming a law), then the opinions of people from other states don't mean jack IMO.

The way I see it, this is all that matters. I don't live in AZ so I really couldn't care less about their laws. If the people of AZ support it (which I guess is unclear right now, other than the bill becoming a law), then the opinions of people from other states don't mean jack IMO.

Well said and how have you been doing?

and they would pay taxes, not be crowding the jails due to immigration policy, etc.... They still would be deported for committing crimes, but just living here wouldn't make a person an immediate criminal.

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they're criminals as soon as they, illegally, cross the border.

wow, I would say I am surprised at people that are against this law, but I'm not. This is a quality law that should greatly help with the BILLIONS UPON BILLIONS we end up spending on illegal aliens.

you shouldn't be, america is a place which is fool of fools. (note last pres. election as proof )

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they're criminals as soon as they, illegally, cross the border.

Um, if you read what I was saying, that was my point. People who are hardworking, trying to make it work for their families and would come over legally if we weren't such an arrogant society, are turned into criminals because we try to prevent their culture from overrunning ours. Probably tens of thousands who are here illegally could be productive members of our society, pay taxes, not overcrowd the jails, and in turn send money to their families which could help Mexican society as well. Instead they earn their money on the sly, they don't pay full taxes, they still use our services, they fall into other lawbreaking cultures since they are, as you said, already criminalized. It really is a tragedy.

What if I told them to go back to Macedonia, and stop taking away jobs that Amercians can't get and need.
They ARE Americans

I agree as well. The majority are hard workers and do jobs us natural born Americans don't want. More people equals more jobs.
Only by the means of increased supply for goods and services. And even then that doesn't mean that the jobs will be created, just the processes can become more efficient or run faster.

Um, if you read what I was saying, that was my point. People who are hardworking, trying to make it work for their families and would come over legally if we weren't such an arrogant society, are turned into criminals because we try to prevent their culture from overrunning ours. Probably tens of thousands who are here illegally could be productive members of our society, pay taxes, not overcrowd the jails, and in turn send money to their families which could help Mexican society as well. Instead they earn their money on the sly, they don't pay full taxes, they still use our services, they fall into other lawbreaking cultures since they are, as you said, already criminalized. It really is a tragedy.
So we don't let people just cross the border and become citizens because we're arrogant?

We're talking culture, yet referring to them all as Mexicans? LOL

They're not cut out for a lot of taxable jobs and some people specifically hire illegals to circumvent wage and benefit requirements. And if we just allowed them, they wouldn't overcrowd the jails, but because they're already criminalized by entering the country, they fall into other lawbreaking "cultures?" Brother, we have plenty of our own in jail, being a citizen doesn't change that.

I'm not sure that any of what you said there makes sense. You tell me how we're logistically supposed to adopt the rushes of people that would enter our soil if we had an open border to citizenship. You're going to have cultural, language, etc barriers that have hampered people who've come here the right way as it is. It just doesn't make sense.

We have cities in the U.S. that've shown that the "grass is greener" approach just doesn't work when it comes to migration. One being Charlotte, NC; well-qualified, formally educated, English speaking citizens have been moving there for the past 5 years or so in droves only to find out that all of the magazine articles about it being a great place to live aren't exactly true due to the high unemployment. Throw in tens to hundreds of thousands of people pouring in frequently over the border and tell me what jobs are going to be created out of thin air. Their American dream will meet reality quicker than a sack vs the Redskins last year.

To even fathom starting the process to allowing this you're talking a huge government expansion to accommodate the increased load in applications, follow-up paperwork, etc. Getting them into the systems that the rest of us are in, everything from Social Security to public schooling. I cannot think of many worse things that we could do.