Campbell A Raider

we had this whole freakin discussion the end of last season regarding laundry

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/33272-landry-is-now-a-bust.html

Clearly you missed this:
This is why they have rankings of the biggest busts ever, if there weren't different levels of busts, then they would all be tied.

You don't have to change your mind, cause you can believe what you want, but what explanation do you have for rankings of busts over the years if there are no levels of busts?

I thought that NFLN had those shows so that they had something to air in May, June, etc.

In my mind all busts are tied. They all are wasted draft picks.

Clearly you missed this:
This is why they have rankings of the biggest busts ever, if there weren't different levels of busts, then they would all be tied.

You don't have to change your mind, cause you can believe what you want, but what explanation do you have for rankings of busts over the years if there are no levels of busts?

Because it's a two step process: Was the player a bust or not? If a bust, then he goes into a pile of other busts. Sifting through the pile, we can agree that Jamarcus, Ryan Leaf and Heath Shuler were busts. Which was the biggest? That's when the discussion as to "level of bust" begins.

Clearly you missed this:
This is why they have rankings of the biggest busts ever, if there weren't different levels of busts, then they would all be tied.

You don't have to change your mind, cause you can believe what you want, but what explanation do you have for rankings of busts over the years if there are no levels of busts?

nah I didn't miss anything, a guy is a bust or he's not. Pretty simple.

Rankings are for TV shows. Pretty sure you won't be seeing JC on any top 10 bust shows either.

^^ Much more concisely put.

I do think we can close the book on the trades for both Campbell and McIntosh as being cases of over-compensation. Neither have performed quite at the level we gave up to get them.Well said.

I do think we can close the book on the trades for both Campbell and McIntosh as being cases of over-compensation. Neither have performed quite at the level we gave up to get them.

Yeah that's pretty much the gist of it. Rocky hasn't played up to what we hoped, and when you draft a QB in the 1st round, obviously the expectation is that he'll be a higher level starter for a number of years for your team. What makes it worse is that we gave up picks to move up and get both of them, so the net loss is that much worse.

I agree with Matty that a bust is a guy who can't play. JC and RM are both starting caliber NFL players, but they just haven't lived up to their expectations. Busts? No. What the Redskins were hoping for? No.

I still think Jason could put up some nice numbers under the Shanahans, but that's irrelevant at this point.

Some seem to have very loose definitions of bust, but traditionally a bust is a guy that is an epic failure. A guy that comes into the league with high expectations and quickly proves that he is not a NFL caliber player.

Some seem to have very loose definitions of bust, but traditionally a bust is a guy that is an epic failure. A guy that comes into the league with high expectations and quickly proves that he is not a NFL caliber player.

Agreed. Not meeting expectations does not equate to bust. Vernon Gholston is a good example of a bust in recent years. 6th overall pick, and can't even get on the field.

As someone mentioned earlier- Heath Shuler, Akili Smith, Ryan Leaf, Mike Williams (USC WR), Charles Rogers- these are guys that are busts. College studs drafted very high who amounted to diddly poo in the NFL.

If a bust is a 1st round pick that is a starter in the NFL but not a star... well, then the NFL is full of starting players that are busts. Not the case IMO.

Shuler was the biggest bust because it cost us most of the 90's. We spent the rest of the decade having starters at QB that were really brought in for depth purposes(Frerotte, Green), then acquired Brad Johnson for 2 seasons. IF Shuler would have been the stud he was projected to be we would have been in a few playoffs in the mid 90's. We were close with both Gus and Trent.