Jon Gruden's QB Camp

- He was unanimously voted a captain at ND his Junior season.
- Golden Tate and other ND receivers supported him at his personal workout when they didn't have to, especially Tate. He had a great combine and ND Pro Day, he had nothing to gain from supporting Clausen.
- Yes, he looks like an emu. But hey, everyone has to have some flaw.
- Based on the comments on this board about Campbell, if he had gone out to bars in the DC area after a few games this year he probably would've gotten punched too.
- Speedo picture.....well Photoshop is not always a good thing.
-Is there a quote from a teammate or coach at ND questioning his leadership abilities? "Unnamed sources" don't count.
- Kiper has great inside access at the college level, if he had heard any of this stuff from a reliable source, he would've pulled back on his assessment of him.

Get em Sammy.

- He was unanimously voted a captain at ND his Junior season.
- Golden Tate and other ND receivers supported him at his personal workout when they didn't have to, especially Tate. He had a great combine and ND Pro Day, he had nothing to gain from supporting Clausen.
- Yes, he looks like an emu. But hey, everyone has to have some flaw.
- Based on the comments on this board about Campbell, if he had gone out to bars in the DC area after a few games this year he probably would've gotten punched too.
- Speedo picture.....well Photoshop is not always a good thing.
-Is there a quote from a teammate or coach at ND questioning his leadership abilities? "Unnamed sources" don't count.
- Kiper has great inside access at the college level, if he had heard any of this stuff from a reliable source, he would've pulled back on his assessment of him.

SS33, you're always very good at making your arguments. When Murphy196 speaks, I really don't hear anything of substance.

Again, nowhere in this thread have I said Jimmy Clausen will be a bad NFL QB.

Just because Golden Tate didn't throw him under the bus doesn't mean he's a good guy. After all, Clausen is a big part of the reason that Tate put up the numbers he did. Why turn around and crap on him? And why wouldn't the other receivers support him at the pro day? They get to workout in front of NFL scouts with a future 1st round pick throwing them passes.

Also, just because Kiper says so doesn't mean it's true/untrue. Schefter and McShay also both have great access in the football world, and they both confirm that there are legit question marks about his leadership ability and locker presence (or lack thereof).

Look, I'm a Tebow fan because I'm a Florida alum and he's the best athlete in our school's history. He's a winner, leader, and great kid. That said, I think Clausen will probably be a better NFL QB, however I think given the right situation, Tebow can succeed in the pros as well. I just don't like Calusen one bit, and I've stated my reasons why. It's pretty obvious that Tebow, Bradford, and McCoy all have better intangibles than Jimmy the Douche.

SS33 for the win

Also, Jimmy Clausen went 16-21 as a starter. I know it's a team sport, just saying. When's the last time a QB who lost 5 more games than he won was considered a possible top 5 pick?

You can argue that he's a good leader, but he certainly didn't rally the troops to very many victories.

Oh, side note- in his 3 seasons as a full time starter, Tebow went 35-6. ;)

Boy I'll be glad when the draft is over, every time you sign on here now someones giving Tebow a blowjob, hey guess what HE WON'T BE A REDSKINS our QB is McNabb, get over it damn!

Boy I'll be glad when the draft is over, every time you sign on here now someones giving Tebow a blowjob, hey guess what HE WON'T BE A REDSKINS our QB is McNabb, get over it damn!

Maybe you should learn to read before you mouth off. No one in this entire thread said anything about Tebow being a Redskin. Or Clausen for that matter.

Also, Jimmy Clausen went 16-21 as a starter. I know it's a team sport, just saying. When's the last time a QB who lost 5 more games than he won is being considered a possible top 5 pick?

You can argue that he's a good leader, but he certainly didn't rally the troops to very many victories.

Oh, side note- in his 3 seasons as a full time starter, Tebow went 35-6. ;)

Wins and losses at the college level doesn't mean very much as far as identifying quality pro prospects. Come on GM your bringing some weak stuff to the table in this thread.

Maybe you should learn to read before you mouth off. No one in this entire thread said anything about Tebow being a Redskin. Or Clausen for that matter.
I couldn't hear ya take Tebow's _ _ _ _ out of your mouth first Batch!

Also, Jimmy Clausen went 16-21 as a starter. I know it's a team sport, just saying. When's the last time a QB who lost 5 more games than he won is being considered a possible top 5 pick?

You can argue that he's a good leader, but he certainly didn't rally the troops to very many victories.

Oh, side note- in his 3 seasons as a full time starter, Tebow went 35-6. ;)

When you put up 30.1 PPG and 337.9 passing yards per game and lead multiple 4th quarter comebacks, well lets say I can live with that. I personally hate that stat in football. It's acceptable in hockey and baseball for Goalies and Pitchers but in football it just doesn't work. For example Drew Brees had an amazing statistical year in 2008 (5,069 Passing Yards 34 TD's 17 INT's) yet the Saints were 8-8. Does that make Brees an Average, middle of the road QB? No.

I do love me some Tebow though, and who wouldn't. If you can't root for a guy like Tebow then man, you don't like your own kids.

I couldn't hear ya take Tebow's _ _ _ _ out of your mouth first Batch!

WTF?

Jevan Snead is neither a douche nor a bible thumper...and is 18-8 as a starter. I'm just sayin'