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Ruhskins 04-06-2010, 04:40 PM If what you're saying is true, then how did the team make the playoffs in 2005 and 2007? No, they did not make the Super Bowl, but they also did not have as horrible a record as with Jason Campbell.
Also, I don't understand how it's the organization's fault when Jason Campbell misses simple reads that have been highlighted ad nauseum. Did Campbell drop back and start thinking about "organizational instability" when Santana Moss or Malcolm Kelly broke wide open?
Was Campbell thinking about "organizational instability" when he forgot the down and distance and decided to check it to a run play to Betts on 3rd and long?
Was Campbell thinking about "organizational instability" when he ran past the line of scrimmage and threw an interception?
I don't think so.
While I haven't read your entire rant, you basically are defending the POS organization we had in order to just prove that Campbell was a bad QB?
Campbell was a bad QB as a result of a combination of his own faults as well as the terrible situation he was put by the front office of this team. Many QBs would have failed under the situations he was in and he didn't have enough talent to overcome them. Plain and simple. A Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, or Drew Brees can overcome these things, not an average QB like Campbell.
If you want to feel good about yourself and kick the guy while he's down, feel free to do so. But don't come with this stupid argument that the Cerrato/Snyder regime gave him opportunities to win. The entire Cerrato/Snyder regime was a failure and please don't insult our intelligence by defending it just because you have a petty bias against one player.
Dirtbag59 04-06-2010, 04:42 PM paging Gtripp
Gforce083 Trade Site - Jason Campbell NFT (http://gforce083ts.webs.com/apps/photos/album?albumid=5432821)
GTripp needs a rival statistician. Someone to play Mel Kiper/Todd McShay to his Todd McShay/Mel Kiper.
tryfuhl 04-06-2010, 04:48 PM Man I just don't have the patience to analyze all of that stuff haha
Well with the humidity below 75pct and wind above 10mph adjusted for whether the NT's shoes were tied bunny ears style or the snake wrapping up the bunny, he completed 7-10 passes past the 1st down marker if the ref had a grass stain on his uniform from an inadvertent hit on the previous play, unless the wind was coming from SSW and creating a swirl from the upper bowl on down, behind the our own 35 yard line, unless we got there from a holding call
I have no idea if you are being serious or not. I think you are playing all of us for fools.
I'm not surprised you have no idea.
While I haven't read your entire rant, you basically are defending the POS organization we had in order to just prove that Campbell was a bad QB?
Campbell was a bad QB as a result of a combination of his own faults as well as the terrible situation he was put by the front office of this team. Many QBs would have failed under the situations he was in and he didn't have enough talent to overcome them. Plain and simple. A Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, or Drew Brees can overcome these things, not an average QB like Campbell.
If you want to feel good about yourself and kick the guy while he's down, feel free to do so. But don't come with this stupid argument that the Cerrato/Snyder regime gave him opportunities to win. The entire Cerrato/Snyder regime was a failure and please don't insult our intelligence by defending it just because you have a petty bias against one player.
The Cerrato/Snyder regime's failures culminated in one year and that's 2009.
Mark Brunell and Todd Collins are proof that you don't need Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, or Drew Brees to overcome the "terrible situation" that Jason Campbell was placed in. Even Patrick Ramsey did better with worse.
Don't let your hate for Cerrato/Snyder blind you from Jason Campbell's shortcomings. The evidence is there.
Crap, you know what those two points made me ask myself:
Did someone tell Donovan about the new OT rules? Damn I hope he knows we need a TD on the first possession!(in post season)
It's okay. We can blame it on "organizational instability".
Ok, what you posted about him missing read and stuff is once again irrelevant to the fact JC didn't lose 12 games by himself either. So when you pick out certain plays out the season as note the Landry double move against the Saints was on JC, Kareem Moore Int- Td error was on JC, Sellers fumble was on JC as well. It's not hard to pick out bad plays everyone had them.
No, but Jason Campbell is not the only reason they lose games, but he is a huge part of them. The bane of this team has been the offense, and the bane of the offense has been the passing game, and the bane of the passing game has been Jason Campbell.
Isn't it funny how Chris Cooley, Santana Moss, Chris Samuels, and Clinton Portis have all succeeded in various situations with various quarterbacks and various coaches, yet when it's with Jason Campbell, they are just not good enough.
tryfuhl 04-06-2010, 05:10 PM I think you'd be hard pressed to blame Portis' issues on Campbell.
Beneil (diehard since 87) 04-06-2010, 05:11 PM Quote:
Originally Posted by GTripp0012
I have no idea if you are being serious or not. I think you are playing all of us for fools.
I'm not surprised you have no idea.
I'm not surprised either. That Audi post was kinda silly. People screamed at Brunell for not going deep jsut like they do Campbell. They dismissed his completion record as if they were all dump offs to portis and betts or something.
As for Collins, the WHOLE TEAM fought for those wins. Todd didn't have any remarkable plays where he won the game or anything like that. The D shut teams down and Todd did what a backup is supposed to do, not be the guy that loses the game.
You want a real view of Todd, look at that ugly stank@$$ performance in the playoff game! Once he threw that first ugly pick he turned into Heath Schuler, Jay Schreoder, and BAD Brett Favre put together! He was acting too scared, throwing ugly crap, and when he DID try it was ridiculous! I wish Campbell was in that game. When he throws a pick, he comes back in and doesn't let it kill his whole game like a true professional. Campbell ain't the best, but he doesnt' get worse after getting hit or throwing a pick. Todd Collins... Pssshh... good ridance
If someone is a backup for a decade, theres probably a good reason for it
tryfuhl 04-06-2010, 05:11 PM I want to see a play action that looks even remotely like it might be a handoff for the first time in years.
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