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The Goat 03-20-2010, 03:15 PM The changes are expected. Players are fighting for their spot on the team/career because the new regime isn't partial to anyone. I have absolutely no doubt this change, taken all by itself, translates into a better football team when the season begins.
I'm waiting to see what else changes. Draft strategy and talent procurement is the kicker IMO. People are taking a lot about drafting QBs. I'll be surprised if we draft on next month...honestly. Our current mix has two guys w/ significant starting experience and a third looking to get his big opportunity. I just read a 2nd hand comment on the team blog about Brennan looking better at his workouts in AZ than any of the rookie QB class. I believe it.
Right now it's still prudent to be pessimistic about the season. We're woefully short on talent on the offensive side of the ball and w/ a change in defensive scheme who knows whether the defense gets better or worse overall. After the draft if Shanny/Allen have found a way to 1) bring in top young talent at LT, RT and RB and 2) rounded out the personnel on defense at LB, DL and FS through acquiring draft picks or relatively young players I think we have every reason to believe this FO has a very sound strategy for success.
Pocket$ $traight 03-20-2010, 11:37 PM This isn't about insults. This is about how conditioning programs and stuff are run.
So I will assume you've got evidence to prove that Zorn was not keeping the leeway Gibbs gave to his guys?
Campbell says this is nothing he has seen in all his damn time here, and last time I checked, he was drafted in 2005. Zorn probably tried to keep the status quo while trying to learn on the fly how to be a HC, and flaming out in the end.
Joe Gibbs 2.0 wasn't anything like the first go around. Doc Walker and Brian Mitchell talked about this a thousand times.
Joe 2.0 was anything but a disciplinarian.
GusFrerotte 03-21-2010, 12:59 AM Money talks, bullshit walks. I have no doubt things are different with a GM finally, but how many regime changes have we had here in the last 11 years? And how many times has the hype machine via the players, etc have said similar things. THe proof is in the pudding. I am not going to get overly excited til we beat Dallas on a regular basis and make the playoffs. This excitement always happens when we have a new regime in charge and we have been left frustrated every time. Many people in here creamed their pants when Gibbs was rehired, and hope was supposedly restored only have it go to shit a few years later. Still can't believe how many people in here fell for the Zorn hire and again creamed their pants. It is nice we aren't breaking the bank via FA, but the jury is still out on if our moves are going to pan out or not. As for JC's commment, what is he supposed to say? Allen sucks and/or the change sucks, or there isn't much of a change? THat will be a nice way of getting in the doghouse and possibly be shipped to a shithole like Cleveland or Tampa Bay.
saden1 03-21-2010, 01:37 AM Same ol' sound bites, different season.
tootergray34 03-21-2010, 04:29 AM I don't think you can say JC is better than SEXY REXY...how many Superbowls has he led his team too? or played in?
On another note, I think the fact that this quote just shows everybody that Zorn wasn't ready to take charge of a franchise. I'm glad somebody with some decent experience has the reigns...no more BS now...either put up or shut up.
Dirtbag59 03-21-2010, 05:17 AM I can guarantee you that Jason Campbell isn't looking over his shoulder at Rex Grossman or anyone else currently on the roster.
Yeah, I tried to think about this being a possibility but I can't. In his best year he completed 54% of his passes and barely got over 3,000 yards passing while starting all 16 games, then proceeded to be average in the playoffs en route to the Super Bowl.
And don't give me that winner crap, that has to easily be the most overrated stat in all of all of football, especially given the team nature of the game. I mean Drew Brees was one of the best QB's in the league during 2008, throwing for over 5,000 yards and posting a 96 QB rating, yet the Saints were 8-8. Does that mean that Brees was an average QB that year?
Anyway the point is Grossman seems like a decent backup that knows the system but at this point I'd be much more comfortable with Jason behind center. I will say this though about Grossman, he's got a hell of an arm, especially when he's accurate, unfortunately he's only accurate about half the time.
You know, things are very simple. When we get an Oline and a receiver or two that can perform like successful professionals, we will have JC performing like a successful professional QB.........
AND if he is NOT the long term answer......there are plenty of em' comin' down the Pike?
like Rockville Pike
12thMan 03-21-2010, 12:12 PM Truth is anyone can have one magical season. Can Grossman prove the naysayers wrong and prove that he's still a starting QB in this league? Of course he can. We've seen that story too many times in the NFL. As a kid I watched Doug Williams leave Tampa Bay, come to D.C. after his career was supposedly over, and get a second life with the Redskins. The rest is history. Jim Plunkett got bounced from the New England Patriots, later released by the 49ers, and landed in Oakland at the age of 33 only to take the Oakland Raiders to two Super Bowls. Craig Morton and Kurt Warner are other names that come to mind. So it's not completely out of the realm of possibilities that Rex Grossman can come here and put it all together.
But let's say, for a minute, that Campbell pulls a hammy at the beginning of the season and has to miss four or five games. I think Rex Grossman is totally capable of going on a four game tear and lighting up the stat column. I'm just not convinced that he can do it for an entire season. I'm glad he's on the roster though because if we do draft Clausen or trade Campbell, I feel comfortable with Grossman being able to step in immediately and running the offense. I just don't see him being able to beat out Campbell in a head-to-head competition.
Lotus 03-21-2010, 02:04 PM ^ Nope, Grossman does not seem like he will supplant JC. But you are correct: Rexy has significant starting experience and can take over reasonably well for short stretches. All of that is helpful for making a decent backup. However, over longer periods, Good Rex will make us cheer, while Bad Rex will make us :doh:
duetsch215 03-21-2010, 10:53 PM you know what really pisses me off? When people say that he was a disappointment last year. He got a huge contract with a new team. He had an "off" year but so did the entire team.
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