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Not really. (hate to defend a Dallas fan, but)
He was saying making a bad choice with a #1 overall pick on a QB can devastate a franchise for a long time, both on the field and wallet. He is right.
I do not think Bradford or any QB this year is such a sure thing that would merit taking #1 OR especially trading up to take #1. If we would do that, it needs to be a sure deal that he'll be an incredible pro QB (and durable).
I think "devastating a franchise" has more to do with the lack of QB than with the position of the pick itself. What if the 49ers didn't take Alex Smith. Then what. What if the Titans didn't take Vince Young. What if the Cardinals didn't take Matt Leinart. What if the Raiders didn't take JaMarcus Russell. What if the Browns didn't take Brady Quinn.
None of these teams are particularly worse off than if they hadn't taken a quarterback. However, trading up for one is definitely potentially devastating.
sandtrapjack 03-17-2010, 01:15 PM By this reasoning, the Colts should never have selected or paid Peyton Manning.
Thats one. Name me another. Rivers MIGHT qualify. (Still trying to figure out just who WAS the #1 pick in THAT draft!).
I bet we can easily name more #1 overall selected QB's that tanked or busted than we can name more "Peyton Mannings".
My point was simply it is a HUGE gamble taking ANY QB #1 overall. If the gamble works, great, the GM is a hero.
But more times than not, that #1 pick as a QB will not live up to what is expected of him.
sandtrapjack 03-17-2010, 01:16 PM I think "devastating a franchise" has more to do with the lack of QB than with the position of the pick itself. What if the 49ers didn't take Alex Smith. Then what. What if the Titans didn't take Vince Young. What if the Cardinals didn't take Matt Leinart. What if the Raiders didn't take JaMarcus Russell. What if the Browns didn't take Brady Quinn.
None of these teams are particularly worse off than if they hadn't taken a quarterback. However, trading up for one is definitely potentially devastating.
Dont forget David Carr!
freddyg12 03-17-2010, 01:17 PM Rex replaces Collins, both in roster spot & role; vet qb that knows the system. I wouldn't be surprised if he's cut after training camp, I think he just gives them an option. I hope Colt B. isn't cut.
Shanny has made it pretty clear that he wants competition at each spot. I think it's a smart way to change the organization's culture. Rather than sitting down CP & saying "we need you to change" he's forcing him to change by signing LJ. Same goes for the qb position; as it stands right now there is competition for the #2 job, maybe Rex for the starting job. If they draft a qb there's competition for all the spots.
Longtimefan 03-17-2010, 01:18 PM Not really. (hate to defend a Dallas fan, but)
He was saying making a bad choice with a #1 overall pick on a QB can devastate a franchise for a long time, both on the field and wallet. He is right.
I do not think Bradford or any QB this year is such a sure thing that would merit taking #1 OR especially trading up to take #1. If we would do that, it needs to be a sure deal that he'll be an incredible pro QB (and durable).
That's the correct way of thinking. When you miss on a player drafted as high as #4...espically a QB, with all the up-front payout your franchise suffers a tremendous set back..... that's why that selection requires a great deal of thought in hopes of getting it right before pulling the trigger.
That's the correct way of thinking. When you miss on a player drafted as high as #4...espically a QB, with all the up-front payout your franchise suffers a tremendous set back..... that's why that selection requires a great deal of thought in hopes of getting it right before pulling the trigger.
As mentioned in an example before, I'd like to know what franchises have been "set back" by their choice of quarterback in the Top 4.
If the Texans did not take David Carr in 2002, would they be that much better? If the Lions did not take Joey Harrington in 2002? 49ers and Alex Smith in 2005? Raiders and JaMarcus Russell in 2007?
Chico23231 03-17-2010, 01:29 PM Thats one. Name me another. Rivers MIGHT qualify. (Still trying to figure out just who WAS the #1 pick in THAT draft!).
I bet we can easily name more #1 overall selected QB's that tanked or busted than we can name more "Peyton Mannings".
My point was simply it is a HUGE gamble taking ANY QB #1 overall. If the gamble works, great, the GM is a hero.
But more times than not, that #1 pick as a QB will not live up to what is expected of him.
Troy Aikman comes to mind. Rivers WOULD qualify.
12thMan 03-17-2010, 01:30 PM I still think we take Okung at #4, unless another team gets desperate and wants to play let's make a deal.
I guess what I'm saying is, trading Campbell isn't completely off the table but it probably won't happen. And now the Redskins have put themselves in a position, with the signing of Rex Grossman, where they can exercise patience and have a little more leverage on draft day.
SmootSmack 03-17-2010, 01:30 PM Rex replaces Collins, both in roster spot & role; vet qb that knows the system. I wouldn't be surprised if he's cut after training camp, I think he just gives them an option. I hope Colt B. isn't cut.
Shanny has made it pretty clear that he wants competition at each spot. I think it's a smart way to change the organization's culture. Rather than sitting down CP & saying "we need you to change" he's forcing him to change by signing LJ. Same goes for the qb position; as it stands right now there is competition for the #2 job, maybe Rex for the starting job. If they draft a qb there's competition for all the spots.
Wouldn't surprise me either if Grossman doesn't make the final roster...but then I also wouldn't be surprised if he's the opening day starter.
joethiesmanfan 03-17-2010, 01:31 PM I like Grossman better than colt. Colt is a West Coast college phenom. Any CFl caliber Qb can do that. Shanny alright. O-line baby.
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