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over the mountain
03-17-2010, 02:43 PM
I've asked this before. Which teams does history show (and make sure the quantity is a "substantially high number") are stuck due to picking a quarterback?

thats an interesting point man. the raiders, 49ers, lions were mediocre to bad before they drafted j russell, a smith and j harrington respectively.

so, when they "busted", where did their franchise end up? mediocre to bad.

we are coming off a 4-12 season, following an 8-8 season (which ended badly).

how many times are we going to be picking 4th overall again? in another 10 years? if shanny and allen think claussen or bradford are going to be good to great (with JC = an avg qb), then i think they pull that trigger.

skinsfan69
03-17-2010, 02:49 PM
Grossman is terrible. End of discussion. He has to be the worst QB ever to QB a team to a Super Bowl. He's just awful. I honestly would've kept Collins. Even though he's old and slow w/ a noodle arm the guy seems to do well when called upon. Grossman can't handle the center exchage, can't read a defense and throws terrible INT's. He simply played his way out of Chicago. I hope nothing happens to JC.

Audi
03-17-2010, 02:51 PM
Yes, your hyping up of GMs as omniscient gods with perfect foresight is something else. The mocks may not get freaking order right, but generally right about the general vincinity of where the players are taken.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Rams take EITHER Bradford or Suh this year. Polian isn't surprised because he probably accounted most of the ways the picks could have gone, NOT because he has some godly ESP.
The Jets could have taken Leinart, and no one would be that surprised either because he was one of those top prospects. If Leinart fell to 8, that wouldn't have been surprising either, because the Lions bombed with Harrington and may have wanted a fresh start. I'll bet he played out all of those potential scenarios and wouldn't have been the least bit surprised if ANY of them happened.

You're right. You and the mock drafts know better. All GMs should be required to use Mel Kiper's Big Board as a reference from now on.

skinsfan69
03-17-2010, 02:52 PM
thats an interesting point man. the raiders, 49ers, lions were mediocre to bad before they drafted j russell, a smith and j harrington respectively.

so, when they "busted", where did their franchise end up? mediocre to bad.

we are coming off a 4-12 season, following an 8-8 season (which ended badly).

how many times are we going to be picking 4th overall again? in another 10 years? if shanny and allen think claussen or bradford are going to be good to great (with JC = an avg qb), then i think they pull that trigger.

The Rams are going to take Bradford, so that leaves Clausen. Is he really worth the 4th overall pick in the draft? I don't think so. Bradford is clearly the more skilled passer. IMO we should try and make a deal w/ Cleveland and trade back.

tryfuhl
03-17-2010, 02:53 PM
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SBXVII
03-17-2010, 02:54 PM
Well, ok. I have a different perspective. I think that Bradford and possibly Clausen will be very good NFL QB's and therefore will be worth the risk.

How long has it been since we had an elite QB? How long has it been since we're down 3 late in a game but we can think, "It's ok, we have ______ at QB," the way that Colts and Chargers can?

I have no problem with drafting Okung since the line needs help. But I also have no problem with drafting a QB at #4.

How long has it been? I'd say since the early to mid 70's. I know you might slam me but as I remember growing up Theismann was not elite, but he got the job done. I can remember the announcers talking about how other said QB's were better % wise but we got to the SB with him.

I don't count Shroeder, Williams, or Rypien as elite QB's even though they got the job done and we all might argue now that they are elite. But at the time they were not considered elite.

Freotte, Green, Shuller, Johnson, George, Banks, Weurfel, Matthews, Ramsey, Brunell, Campbell, Collins, Colt or Grossman I definitly would not consider elite.

Monkeydad
03-17-2010, 02:54 PM
Grossman is terrible. End of discussion. He has to be the worst QB ever to QB a team to a Super Bowl. He's just awful. I honestly would've kept Collins. Even though he's old and slow w/ a noodle arm the guy seems to do well when called upon. Grossman can't handle the center exchage, can't read a defense and throws terrible INT's. He simply played his way out of Chicago. I hope nothing happens to JC.

I forgot about that. You're right though, worse than Trent Dilfer.

SBXVII
03-17-2010, 02:59 PM
but we need 2 first 2 round picks this year bro

I would argue that if we could get a whole team of 1st round picks we need it. But it's not logical.

If Okung is not a good fit for the scheme Shanahan wants to implement and no one else is projected to be worthy of a #4 pick that are good in the zone blocking scheme then what do you do? The OL draft depth is huge. There are many players who will fit into Shanahan's scheme but not worthy of the #4 pick overall.

Trade up with the Rams get the QB we need, don't throw away draft picks though so in the second round we can get an OL. Hopefully we pick up more picks from other players we tendered and pick up more picks. Hopefully OL.

Lotus
03-17-2010, 03:03 PM
How long has it been? I'd say since the early to mid 70's. I know you might slam me but as I remember growing up Theismann was not elite, but he got the job done. I can remember the announcers talking about how other said QB's were better % wise but we got to the SB with him.

I don't count Shroeder, Williams, or Rypien as elite QB's even though they got the job done and we all might argue now that they are elite. But at the time they were not considered elite.

Freotte, Green, Shuller, Johnson, George, Banks, Weurfel, Matthews, Ramsey, Brunell, Campbell, Collins, Colt or Grossman I definitly would not consider elite.

I essentially agree. Arguably, Sonny Jurgenson was the last "elite" QB that we had. Can't we change this? Instead of watching the Mannings and Rivers of the world beat us, how about if we had one of those guys on our team for once?

SBXVII
03-17-2010, 03:03 PM
Grossman is terrible. End of discussion. He has to be the worst QB ever to QB a team to a Super Bowl. He's just awful. I honestly would've kept Collins. Even though he's old and slow w/ a noodle arm the guy seems to do well when called upon. Grossman can't handle the center exchage, can't read a defense and throws terrible INT's. He simply played his way out of Chicago. I hope nothing happens to JC.

Damn for a moment I thought you were refering to JC. ;)

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