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skinsfaninok 03-11-2010, 07:35 PM Look's like we are really wanting to sign LJ.
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CultBrennan59 03-11-2010, 07:38 PM I just realized something, the saints just lost their starting OLB to FA, and they cut their starting DE. NO's Defense is run by Gregg Williams whom brought in Andre Carter and Rocky McIntosh. We are switching to a 3-4 Defense which Andre Carter has already said he doesn't fit in, and many believe Rocky would be too small for the project ILB position. Could I be sensing a trade here that would send Rocky and Andre to the saints for a few draft picks, like a 2nd and 6th rounder? Sure Rocky's been tendered for a 3rd, and we don't exactly know what we could get for andre, but I think if you put the two together we could be getting those picks, or similar picks.
Daseal 03-11-2010, 07:46 PM 2nd and 6th seems pretty low for two established, and solid players. Carter is older, but Rocky is still pretty young. I don't think I'd be happy with that, especially considering how high the Saints picks are this year. I understand the emphasis on drafting, it's important to find and cultivate your own talent, but you shouldn't sacrifice known commodities for a crap shoot unless the value is there, in my opinion.
IrMitchell 03-11-2010, 08:05 PM I like Blades as well, but Davis has tons of experience playing in the 3-4 and we really need an ILB with 3-4 experience to play alongside Fletcher.
Ya but are you really prepared to have 34/31 year old veterans be the highlight of our defense? Correct me if I'm wrong about their ages, but it just seems to completely go against this whole rebuilding phase. If it was my team I'd be drafting an ILB in the fourth to sit behind Fletcher while him and Blades start.
RMSkins 03-11-2010, 08:44 PM Ya but are you really prepared to have 34/31 year old veterans be the highlight of our defense? Correct me if I'm wrong about their ages, but it just seems to completely go against this whole rebuilding phase. If it was my team I'd be drafting an ILB in the fourth to sit behind Fletcher while him and Blades start.
Their ages are correct. I would definitely be content with Fletcher and Davis being our starting ILBs this year. Obviously it's not ideal, considering their ages, but like I said Davis brings tons of 3-4 experience to our defense, while Blades has never played in a 3-4 before. Fletcher and Davis would, probably, only be our starting ILBs for the 2010 season, while other players are groomed and gain enough experience to be competant starting ILBs in a 3-4 defense.
Mechanix544 03-11-2010, 08:46 PM I just realized something, the saints just lost their starting OLB to FA, and they cut their starting DE. NO's Defense is run by Gregg Williams whom brought in Andre Carter and Rocky McIntosh. We are switching to a 3-4 Defense which Andre Carter has already said he doesn't fit in, and many believe Rocky would be too small for the project ILB position. Could I be sensing a trade here that would send Rocky and Andre to the saints for a few draft picks, like a 2nd and 6th rounder? Sure Rocky's been tendered for a 3rd, and we don't exactly know what we could get for andre, but I think if you put the two together we could be getting those picks, or similar picks.
A I crazy, or is this the second time ive seen this posted today?????
tryfuhl 03-11-2010, 08:46 PM Ya but are you really prepared to have 34/31 year old veterans be the highlight of our defense? Correct me if I'm wrong about their ages, but it just seems to completely go against this whole rebuilding phase. If it was my team I'd be drafting an ILB in the fourth to sit behind Fletcher while him and Blades start.
Doesn't mean that they'll be the highlight. Nobody guaranteed that Davis would start.
You know how we've been complaining for years about our depth? How so much was tied into the 1st string that there was barely any competition and our 2nd string might not make other teams? Isn't it GOOD that we get a guy that might be able to START for another team to compete for a spot rather than just give the spot to somebody and put some scrub in behind him?
12thMan 03-11-2010, 08:52 PM It looks like LJ is leaning towards coming here.
Mechanix544 03-11-2010, 09:03 PM Just because someone has never played in a 3-4 before does not mean we should trade a young talented LB away, or scrounge for a mediocre LB that has 3-4 experience. There are these things, these people, they are called coaches. And when handed a team, or implementing a system, they do this thing, its called coaching. Then the players learn from these, "Coaches", and then play the game of football after a period of being "Coached". Difficult concept, I know, but it has been known to work.
Its not that fricking hard to switch defenses. Especially for an athletic player like MacIntosh or blades.
Give Haslett and Shanahan a shot. Plus, I really think our base defense will become a Hybrid of the two anyway, where the personnell on the field doesnt necessarily change, but they move and shift around alot, blitzing from different spot, and lining up differently on each play. I actually dig the idea, but when dealing with this hybrid, a straight up 3-4 LB is not one we necessarily need. We need young talent that can be coached up, and learn this hybrid. This new defense could become the new big thing, or, the defensive "WildCat" if you would.
RMSkins 03-11-2010, 09:41 PM Just because someone has never played in a 3-4 before does not mean we should trade a young talented LB away, or scrounge for a mediocre LB that has 3-4 experience. There are these things, these people, they are called coaches. And when handed a team, or implementing a system, they do this thing, its called coaching. Then the players learn from these, "Coaches", and then play the game of football after a period of being "Coached". Difficult concept, I know, but it has been known to work.
Its not that fricking hard to switch defenses. Especially for an athletic player like MacIntosh or blades.
Give Haslett and Shanahan a shot. Plus, I really think our base defense will become a Hybrid of the two anyway, where the personnell on the field doesnt necessarily change, but they move and shift around alot, blitzing from different spot, and lining up differently on each play. I actually dig the idea, but when dealing with this hybrid, a straight up 3-4 LB is not one we necessarily need. We need young talent that can be coached up, and learn this hybrid. This new defense could become the new big thing, or, the defensive "WildCat" if you would.
I never said anything about trading anyone. You honestly can't expect a player, who has never played in a 3-4 defense, to be able to transition, without any problems, just because they're being "coached", just ask Aaron Kampman or Andre Carter about trying to transition to a 3-4. Saying that it's not hard to switch defenses is an extremely ignorant thing to say, it takes some teams years to get the right pieces in place to fully transition to a 3-4.
I agree that our defense, this year, will be somewhat of a hybrid, but to call it a "new" defense or something that has never been seen before is a mistake. Haslett isn't going to come up with some new, innnovative defense that no one in this league has ever seen before.
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