'Ax Men' star's daughter mauled to death by dog

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Daseal
03-03-2010, 11:55 AM
Cpayne, by snap I don't mean nice one second, mean the next. It's a complete change of mental makeup. They don't necessarily become super aggressive that second, but you notice that their personality is different and in general much more aggressive.

It's not common, but I've seen it happen to people that know a lot about dogs, and care for/love their dogs. Just like people, sometimes something happens.

cpayne5
03-03-2010, 11:55 AM
I know if the dog is raised correctly it shouldn't be an issue, still, I wouldn't risk it around a young child. That's just me. If there's even a .01% chance the dog could snap and hurt the child, I'm not risking it.

The main problem here definitely lies with the parents, no doubt.

Raised and supervised properly, there is a 0% chance. If those two things don't exist, the chances, whatever they may be, are the same no matter the breed.

cpayne5
03-03-2010, 11:58 AM
Cpayne, by snap I don't mean nice one second, mean the next. It's a complete change of mental makeup. They don't necessarily become super aggressive that second, but you notice that their personality is different and in general much more aggressive.

It's not common, but I've seen it happen to people that know a lot about dogs, and care for/love their dogs. Just like people, sometimes something happens.

Well, then over time the owner has allowed the dog to change its behavior and get away with it. Most of the time they write it off as "that's just Scruffy being cute", or "Scruffy is getting cranky as she ages", etc. It's an excuse and most of the time it reinforces the behavior (treats, petting, etc). Proper discipline would nip it in the bud.

firstdown
03-03-2010, 12:23 PM
Raised and supervised properly, there is a 0% chance. If those two things don't exist, the chances, whatever they may be, are the same no matter the breed.
Sorry your odds of 0% is not correct. The difference in atacks from dogs is that most people can fend off most other dogs but Pitts, Rotts, etc... by nature go for the kill. Why don't we ever hear of a Great Dane attacking and killing? I guess everyone who owns them are the good owners and keep their dogs under control.

smootistheman
03-03-2010, 12:29 PM
It's obvious that these people had no clue about dog ownership, so yes they should have handed the dogs over to a rescue.

Dogs never snap. They give fair warning to when they're about to use force. As a responsible dog owner, it is up to you to recognize those warning and correct the dog well before the dog's behavior escalates.

There is always a reason. Dogs want to be happy, that is their nature.

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Beautiful Pack cpayne5...And I agree with you on this. Dogs like children are a product of their environment and those people had no business leaving that child with that dog. What sad,sad news and a senseless loss.

cpayne5
03-03-2010, 12:38 PM
Sorry your odds of 0% is not correct. The difference in atacks from dogs is that most people can fend off most other dogs but Pitts, Rotts, etc... by nature go for the kill. Why don't we ever hear of a Great Dane attacking and killing? I guess everyone who owns them are the good owners and keep their dogs under control.

It absolutely is 0%, given what I said. When a dog attacks, it goes for the kill. It doesn't matter if it's a Poodle or a Rott. Poodles don't say, "well, I just want make them bleed, not kill them". All dogs intentions are the same when in that mode. The key is to never let them get into that mode. Yes, you can 100% stop them from getting there.

Take a guess as to which breed has the most bites in relation to it's population.

firstdown
03-03-2010, 12:47 PM
It absolutely is 0%, given what I said. When a dog attacks, it goes for the kill. It doesn't matter if it's a Poodle or a Rott. Poodles don't say, "well, I just want make them bleed, not kill them". All dogs intentions are the same when in that mode. The key is to never let them get into that mode. Yes, you can 100% stop them from getting there.

Take a guess as to which breed has the most bites in relation to it's population.

I'd guess its a smaller dog that bites more often but there is a big difference between a scratch and having your face ripped off and/or killed. Like I said its only a few of the bigger dogs that we hear about in the news all the time. I also don't believe that all dogs try to kill when they bite. Alot of dogs will bite once and then stop while a pitt becomes more agressive. I have seen that sweet pitt bull attack and its like they become another dog and total loss of control.

BringBackJoeT
03-03-2010, 01:00 PM
What a tragic story. It's horrifying to imagine any human being dying this way.

I count myself among the others who are animal lovers, and I've always thought that Rotties are beautiful dogs. However, I agree with others who have said or implied that it is not shocking to learn of the breed involved in this case. The fact is that some breeds have, by nature (and/or through generations of breeding), edgier temperments than others. If an owner is to be faulted in a situation like this, I think it should be for not appreciating the higher level of maintenance that attaches to choosing a breed like a Rottweiler, and the natural risk that will be present if that level of maintenance is not applied.

firstdown
03-03-2010, 01:07 PM
What a tragic story. It's horrifying to imagine any human being dying this way.

I count myself among the others who are animal lovers, and I've always thought that Rotties are beautiful dogs. However, I agree with others who have said or implied that it is not shocking to learn of the breed involved in this case. The fact is that some breeds have, by nature (and/or through generations of breeding), edgier temperments than others. If an owner is to be faulted in a situation like this, I think it should be for not appreciating the higher level of maintenance that attaches to choosing a breed like a Rottweiler, and the natural risk that will be present if that level of maintenance is not applied.
See I don't even think Rots and Pits attack anymore then other dogs its just when they do attack its usually not good.

over the mountain
03-03-2010, 01:13 PM
It absolutely is 0%, given what I said. When a dog attacks, it goes for the kill. It doesn't matter if it's a Poodle or a Rott. Poodles don't say, "well, I just want make them bleed, not kill them". All dogs intentions are the same when in that mode. The key is to never let them get into that mode. Yes, you can 100% stop them from getting there.

Take a guess as to which breed has the most bites in relation to it's population.

i got dogs, have had all types of dogs my entire life. certain dogs have a "kill" ability in them. my oldest right now, tyson, is a great dog, listens very well, has never bitten someone but, out of 6 dogs ive personnally owned hes the 5th, ive never had a dog that once he snaps he snaps to kill.

hes been in a few dog fights and when he is in a fight, he fights to kill. he was tearing this one dog up, he was latched to this dogs neck and thrashing is back and forth. i tried pulling him off but his flexed muscle made him weigh a ton. i had to punch him as hard as i could in his rib to get him off. the puncture wounds were deep and he missed a main artery by a fraction of an inch which would have killed the dog.

is tyson a sweet dog? yes. was he raised properly? yes. in all my years of having dogs, have i ever had a dog that could kill? not until tyson.

most of it is breeding (his bloodline more than breed like a rot or pit) and training but imo some dogs have a natural killer instinct that once they start in a fight, they will not stop until they kill.

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