Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1

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tryfuhl
02-27-2010, 03:01 PM
Washington has a proven formula that great lines can turn average quarterbacks into Super Bowl MVPs, so as much as everyone says we need a "franchise quarterback" I disagree. Conversely, a bad line can turn a franchise QB into a bum.

Pass on Bradford and commit to our proven formula.
I kind of hate hearing this, not that I don't think that we should focus heavily on the line, but the past is the past. We've had great lines and not come close to approaching the Super Bowl, much less getting into it or winning it. Samuels-Jansen didn't get us there and we had a very good line at the time. We didn't have any good answer at QB though.

Dirtbag59
02-27-2010, 03:07 PM
I kind of hate hearing this, not that I don't think that we should focus heavily on the line, but the past is the past. We've had great lines and not come close to approaching the Super Bowl, much less getting into it or winning it. Samuels-Jansen didn't get us there and we had a very good line at the time. We didn't have any good answer at QB though.

It's a different league now. The Vikings have easily had a top 3 line over the past few years but with Tavaris Jackson at QB they barely inched into the playoffs. Heck the reason we were able to get into the playoffs in 2007 was in playing the Vikings all we had to do was stack the box. Bret Farve comes in and suddenly the Vikes are a Super Bowl contender, not to mention the fact that Sidney Rice goes from bust to pro bowler.

Also I'd like to point out that in 2007 we had a legitimate shot at making it to the Super Bowl thanks to Collins playing like a man possessed.

skinsfaninok
02-27-2010, 03:11 PM
What? That was their completion percentage. Heres the rundown. Oklahoma started running a spread offense in 2008. In 2007 they were running a pro style offense. The percentages you see with Landry Jones at 58% is his completion percentage. The 2008 and 2009 numbers indicate production in a spread, the 2007 numbers for Bradford indicate production in a pro style offense.

I was pointing out the strawman argument that Landry Jones played just as well as Sam Bradford when the numbers clearly indicate otherwise. Maybe it's not just you but I seem to keep hearing stuff like "oh Landry Jones put up the same numbers as Bradford" or something to that effect when that is clearly not the case. I mean maybe you can make a case that numbers don't mean everything but in this case they clearly do.



What I want to know is how can all these Big XII school recruit all this amazing talent (Okung, Kindle, Robinson, Bryant, McCoy of both Colt and Gerald, Suh) and yet apparently they get downplayed "because their defenzes aren't as tuff as dem SEC defenses right der." I mean which is it? Do these teams just recruit on the offensive side of the ball and then visit the trauma unit at your local hospital to find their defensive players?

The two best defensive tackles in the country are Big XII DT's.

You know what, in the SEC it's easy to be a great defense when most of your opponents run the most vanilla offenses in the country and you practically refuse to play quality out of conference opponents. Thats why Florida has kicked so much ass since Meyer came, a lot of the SEC teams outside Alabama can't handle a well designed offense.


Don't forget about our man ORAKPO! LOL The Big 12 does have good D but hell when you have Bradford, McCoy, Zac Robinson, Dez Bryant, Jermaine Grasham, Crabtree... the list goes on. Its hard to stop all that talent. I love the SEC also, but I do agree that the offense in the SEC is down, other than Ole Miss and Fla, you really don't see alot of scoring. That being said they have won 4 straight Natl titles because their teams Defenses are so damn good. BTW I know this is completely off topic but John Wall is one the funnest BBall players I've ever watched at any level.

CultBrennan59
02-27-2010, 03:20 PM
Mattyk, do I have permission to do a Okung or Bradford thread or does that qualify for "Threads you're tired of seeing?"

tryfuhl
02-27-2010, 03:30 PM
Yet another thread to debate it in? When ultimately it will turn into a Campbell vs Rookie thread?

Lotus
02-27-2010, 03:46 PM
Yeah, I think Okung vs Bradford vs Clausen vs Jason Campbell is already being discussed in several threads.

SmootSmack
02-27-2010, 09:10 PM
I kind of hate hearing this, not that I don't think that we should focus heavily on the line, but the past is the past. We've had great lines and not come close to approaching the Super Bowl, much less getting into it or winning it. Samuels-Jansen didn't get us there and we had a very good line at the time. We didn't have any good answer at QB though.

Agreed. After all this "proven formula" hasn't won the Super Bowl for us in nearly 20 years.

Pocket$ $traight
02-28-2010, 10:50 AM
Agreed. After all this "proven formula" hasn't won the Super Bowl for us in nearly 20 years.


Well we haven't followed the formula for 20 years.

To compare the championship lines to the Samuels/Jansen/Thomas lines is very simpleminded.

Grimm - 1st team all decade, 4 pro bowls, 3 x all pro
Jacoby - 2nd team all decade, 4 pro bowls, 2 x all pro
Lachey - 2 pro bowls 2 all pros
Bostic - pro bowler
May - pro bowler
Schlereth - pro bowler

Samuels - never all pro
Thomas - never a pro bowler
Jansen - never a pro bowler (pretty overated in my book in general)

The Samuels/Jansen lines NEVER had multiple pro bowlers and NEVER had a single all pro.

Comparing the two is baseless at best.

SmootSmack
02-28-2010, 11:03 AM
Well we haven't followed the formula for 20 years.

To compare the championship lines to the Samuels/Jansen/Thomas lines is very simpleminded.

Grimm - 1st team all decade, 4 pro bowls, 3 x all pro
Jacoby - 2nd team all decade, 4 pro bowls, 2 x all pro
Lachey - 2 pro bowls 2 all pros
Bostic - pro bowler
May - pro bowler
Schlereth - pro bowler

Samuels - never all pro
Thomas - never a pro bowler
Jansen - never a pro bowler (pretty overated in my book in general)

The Samuels/Jansen lines NEVER had multiple pro bowlers and NEVER had a single all pro.

Comparing the two is baseless at best.

Samuels was never all pro really? Well anyway, if anything our "proven formula" has proven that we don't need to stack the line with first round picks to have a successful offensive line and team

Pocket$ $traight
02-28-2010, 11:16 AM
Samuels was never all pro really? Well anyway, if anything our "proven formula" has proven that we don't need to stack the line with first round picks to have a successful offensive line and team

He wasn't. It will take you 5 seconds to google that and verify it.

Philadelphia (for example, I am sure there are others) has been consistently committing early picks to their line. How have we measured up with them?

We have had two first round QB draft picks over the last decade. Where did that get us? 4-12.

Edit: Samuels was second team all pro in 2001. Washington and their second team all pro were 8-8.

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