kingerock
11-02-2004, 09:42 AM
I'm no big Norv fan but the Raiders did lose their starting QB early in the season so some of the problems stem from that.
I don't think most people thought he (Rich Gannon) should have been the starter anyway once Collins was brought in. I think the problems with the Raiders go way deeper than the roster though. They should at least be respectable on defense but they are probably the worst team in football right now.
Yeah Collins was supposed to be the better fit and while they won't admit it they brought him to start, not to back up Gannon. But Gannon had a good preseason and won the job. Now Collins is in there and he's stinking up the joint, and probably what's hurting them more is the lack of a feature back.
jbcjr14
11-02-2004, 10:45 AM
Norv has zero control...never has, never will. Sapp is just an idiot. Perfect match.
Shane
11-02-2004, 11:14 AM
The Raiders have been devastated by injuries and that has been the biggest problem. Acquiring Warren Sapp was a big mistake. The coaching staff is doing everything to move Sapp around the line during games to give him the best matchups, but he is unable to be effective. Sapp is washed up and he is a nasty, mean windbag who is trying to cause trouble to distract from his own failures.
The biggest problem on the Raiders is personnel. Norv Turner is not the problem from what I can see; he is managing a difficult situation that no one else wanted to deal with. Charles Woodson is supportive of Turner and says that the problem is that there are too many players on the team that there are too many people who think they are stars on the team and not enough people willing to do the things you have to to win.
Turner is fed up and is in the process of eliminating from the lineup the people who aren't cutting it due to effort.
Turner inherited a terrible situation and I think he is doing actually ok considering. Woodson held out this summer and it was only due to astute diplomacy from Turner that Woodson returned.
Turner is a joke, he had 7 years here and he was always plagued by the same problems. He's just not head coach material.
skinsfanthru&thru
11-02-2004, 11:26 AM
I think I heard on espn that sapp was pissed that most of the weeks planning for the defense was geared toward containing san diego's te Antonio Gates(a huge fantasy sleeper before this year) and finally after San Diego scored its 6TH TD and Gates second of the day, Sapp acted in his typically childish way.
I know this is wayyyyyyyy early but with how well Bree has matured this year and ramsey looking like a ruined player thanks to spurrier, think the skins might dump ramsey or brunnel(even though it'd be a big cap hit) and go after Brees who's gonna be a free agent after this season? and to think we could have gotten him and san diego's 1st and 2nd round picks from this past year for ramsey and our first round spot. We would have traded down, still gotten Taylor as well as have 2-3 more 1st day picks and a mobile qb whose currently ranked 3rd in qb rating in the entire nfl. Or maybe I'm just thinking this stuff up cuz I'm bored right now, lol.
Speaking of Gates the guy is a monster. He was a fantasy sleeper in Fantasy Football Index but silly me thought who's gonna throw him the ball? The guy is quickly becoming one of the best in the league.
As far as Brees I don't see it happening. I think we'll stick with what we've got and Ramsey will win the job once he settles into this offense. Another offseason of camps will do him alot of good, and before this season is through I think he'll have a few starts, maybe 4-5.
FRPLG
11-02-2004, 11:52 AM
Christ I tired of hearing about the damn QBs. THEY AREN'T THAT BAD!!!! Seriously...name some of the QBS who've won superbowls. Brad Johnson? Trent Dilfer? Please don't tell me either of these guys is any better than either Brunell or Ramsey. The problem is not simply that our QBs suck. The problem is that we have a million tiny problems. The tiny problems that every team has. We just have more than anyone else. This has been our problem for a decade.
Christ I tired of hearing about the damn QBs. THEY AREN'T THAT BAD!!!! Seriously...name some of the QBS who've won superbowls. Brad Johnson? Trent Dilfer? Please don't tell me either of these guys is any better than either Brunell or Ramsey. The problem is not simply that our QBs suck. The problem is that we have a million tiny problems. The tiny problems that every team has. We just have more than anyone else. This has been our problem for a decade.
I agree, we're not 2-5 simply because of the QB play. It's definitely contributed to it, but it's not the only reason.
But as we all know, QB's receive too much credit when the team is doing well and too much blame when the team struggles. They're the convenient hero/scapegoat.