ESPN: Clayton Expects Skins to Tender Campbell for a 1st and 3rd

Thank you! Ben Rothlisberger and Aaron Rogers seem to be able to elevate their play with sub-par lines...why do we excuse JC's mediocrity?

Yep, and good QBs make their O lines look better. Matt Cassell was sacked relentlessly behind the same line Brady camps out behind all the time. He's a threat to beat you deep, Cassell was not. AND the O line was fine for the first 4-5 games last year. BUT, this has been re-hashed a zillion times.:bdh:

Yep, and good QBs make their O lines look better. Matt Cassell was sacked relentlessly behind the same line Brady camps out behind all the time. He's a threat to beat you deep, Cassell was not. AND the O line was fine for the first 4-5 games last year. BUT, this has been re-hashed a zillion times.:bdh:You keep saying this, but I do not think any line that allows as much pressure as Detroit got and as Tampa Bay got to be called "fine." If that performance was fine, then I'm fine with 4-12. Because that, to me, is overachieving.

The line was toast as soon as the first guy (Thomas) went down. All the Samuels injury did was allow reality to set in.

2009 Sack Rates

Jason Campbell: 7.8%, 550 dropbacks
Aaron Rodgers: 8.5%, 591 dropbacks
Ben Roethlisberger: 9.0%, 556 dropbacks

Who made what look good again?

who's going to pay a 1st and 3rd for campbell he wasn't even worht the 1st yo uused nthe first place... he's an ok QB could be good i na few years maybe i nthe right system but no way worth a 1st and 3rd right now.... maybe a 3rd only.

Anyone else see that after a talk with Shanahan, Jason Campbell feels he has a future in Washington? ( i assume future means more than just next season)

Jason Campbell had "real positive" talk with Mike Shanahan | ProFootballTalk.com (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/02/18/jason-campbell-had-real-positive-talk-with-mike-shanahan/)

who's going to pay a 1st and 3rd for campbell he wasn't even worht the 1st yo uused nthe first place... he's an ok QB could be good i na few years maybe i nthe right system but no way worth a 1st and 3rd right now.... maybe a 3rd only.

In a few years? Dude he is 28 years old.. How much more time does this guy need? I like JC but his time is up in D.C, and yes I agree with you but Campbell is worth atleast a 2nd round pick.. Anyone who takes a beaten like JC did last year deserves a good pick lol.

You keep saying this, but I do not think any line that allows as much pressure as Detroit got and as Tampa Bay got to be called "fine." If that performance was fine, then I'm fine with 4-12. Because that, to me, is overachieving.

The line was toast as soon as the first guy (Thomas) went down. All the Samuels injury did was allow reality to set in.

And I'll keep saying it. We must have been watching different games. I remember checking his sack totals after 4 games and he was in the bottom third of all starting QBs. The O line wasn't a mess until AFTER Samuels and Randy Thomas went down, AND then Campbell actually played better. He was absolutely NOT running for his life against the likes of the Lions, Bucs, Rams and friggin Chefs. BUT who's to say it wasn't Zorn's fault. The O definitely seemed to have more life after Sherm started calling plays.

I'm just saying I don't think you can blame the ineptness of the Offense early in the season against arguably some of the worst Defenses of all time on the O line. For the record, I actually think Campbell showed a lot during the second half of the season and am totally comfortable with him being the starter. I just don't think drafting a QB with the first pick should be off the table by any means. I believe the O line can still be addressed if they draft a QB with the 4th pick.

Anyone else see that after a talk with Shanahan, Jason Campbell feels he has a future in Washington? ( i assume future means more than just next season)

Jason Campbell had "real positive" talk with Mike Shanahan | ProFootballTalk.com (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/02/18/jason-campbell-had-real-positive-talk-with-mike-shanahan/)

Not sure I buy the premise that the biggest knock on JC is his inability to throw downfield, and I certainly don't accept his excuse that it's because he didn't have time. No one criticizes him for failing to throw the ball downfield when he's being sacked in a split second. People who criticize his long ball ability criticize him for the plays where he did have time to throw and he did have receivers open, but still failed to get the ball close. How many balls landed out of bounds or out of the back of end zone last year? That said, he looked better later in the season and should have no problem securing the starting job next year, regardless of who they draft at #4.

Well if it was up to Kiper he says it's a "No Brainer" The skins should take a QB in the first round.. I agree 100%, you can find solid lineman in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Sam Bradford doesn't walk through the door every season. I even like Clausen but would rather have Bradford. 6FT 4 , Big arm, Accuracy compared to guys like Brees and Manning, and maybe the smartest player in the draft. Oh also a good athlete too.

Redskins Insider - Kiper's argument for the Redskins drafting Clausen (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/kipers-argument-for-the-redski.html)

And I'll keep saying it. We must have been watching different games. I checked his sack totals after 4 games and he was in the bottom third. The O line was a mess after Samuels went down, AND Campbell actually played better. He was absolutely NOT running for his life against the Lions, Bucs, Rams and friggin Chefs. BUT who's to say it wasn't Zorn's fault. The O definitely seemed to have more life after Sherm started calling plays.

I'm just saying I don't think you can blame the ineptness of the Offense early in the season against arguably some of the worst Defenses of all time on the O line. For the record, I actually think Campbell showed a lot during the second half of the season and am totally comfortable with him being the starter. I just don't think drafting a QB with the first pick should be off the table by any means. I believe the O line can still be addressed if they draft a QB with the 4th pick.Well, before Samuels went down, we could block a three man rush. It hadn't reached comical yet. Doesn't mean we weren't toast at the time.

The whole idea of "the line was actually good for one-quarter of the season" is a ridiculous premise to begin with. If the point is to try to isolate a four game sample from an entire season as being indicative of a dependent players true value, you aren't going to have anything but an operative theory. There's really nothing there to suggest the line was any better then, but it was at least less injured.

Things of course didn't get really bad until we played an actual opponent that could rush the quarterback (Philly), and that's when Campbell started to run for his life -- literally. But that doesn't mean Gaines Adams (RIP), Cliff Avril, and Ryan Sims weren't exploiting match-ups that simply didn't exist for them in 15 other games.

Now, as Slingin Sammy and myself can both verify, pressure was not the primary determinant on any of Campbell's three picks in the TB game. It was, however, the primary determinant on the pick in the DET game. But more than forcing turnovers, pressure just kills the rhythm of our WCO passing game.

This was post-Samuels injury, but the Kansas City game was probably the lowpoint of my fanship with the Redskins. That team has 31 sacks in the last two seasons. That's the worst two season stretch since the statistic was recorded. Three off those 31 game in that game, and they got a game clinching forced fumble on Todd Collins. All three sacks came on a three man rush. I love Samuels as much as the next guy, but he would just have been completely out of place in that mess.