The Mid Round QB fallacy

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Bastardo, I doa pay me bill What you think I is, some sort of funny pastrami?

Still it seems to happen in one out of every 10 reports, some section ends up incomplete. The way they also post stats in the production section is also pretty annoying:

2007: (12/3) 43 rec., 622 yards, 6 TD. 2008: (13/13) 87 rec., 1,480 yards, 19 TD. 2009: (3/3) 17 rec., 323 yards, 4 TD. Career: Averaged 19.6 yards on 22 punt returns, including three for scores, also averaged 23.8 yards on six kickoff returns.

I mean WTF? How am I suppose to read that?

Wait Dez Bryant is available this draft :eek: ????????!??!?! Forget everything I said, this is a game chnager!! We're taking him at #4 if we're lucky enough that he falls to us. And you know what on top of that I'm trading this years second next years 1st and 3rd to move up to select Jermaine Gresham!!!!

In the meantime I'll sign Peyton to the vet min plus incentives!!!!!!!

On a somewhat related note ESPN Insider is ticking me off. Look at what they have written in Dez Bryants scouting report keep in mind I didn't leave anything out in this section:


"Difficul"? I assume they mean difficult but difficult what? What am I paying you for ESPN?

Didn't you hear there's a new Elite Insider package that spells check all of their articles, it will just cost you an extra 20 bucks. :laughing2

Offensive lines are clearly incredibly important, but PHazard's post above notes why a great QB is so much more important. Neither the Colts nor the Saints offensive lines are riddled with natural talent. They're all smart, hard working players. But they weren't protypical linemen coming out of college. Some are undersized, some aren't that quick, some are free agent castoffs, but they play well enough as a unit to allow their QBs to work. Manning and Brees didn't have the greatest lines, but Brees has enough escapability and accuracy on the run to be elite behind that line. And Manning has a knack for getting the ball out so quickly that he's elite behind his line.

When you have a Drew Brees or Peyton Manning, the offensive line doesn't need to dominate games like the Hogs. You want to talk about Redskin QBs, the reason we didn't need a dominant franchise QB is because our offensive line was DOMINANT. But look at the Saints, they don't need a dominant offensive line because their QB is dominant.

So clearly that says there are plenty of ways to build a championship team. But look at history, how many Super Bowls have been won using the Hogs formula, dominating with an offensive line with an adequate-to-good QB? How many have been won with dominating QBs but less-than-dominant lines? Bradshaw, Staubach, Montana/Young, Aikman, Brady, Roethlisberger, Manning, Brees. Some of those lines were very good and occasionally dominant, but mostly those guys played behind good-but-not-great lines. And look at how many of them won multiple times.

The elite QB just makes everything easier. They open up the secondary, teams think twice about blitzing QBs who are cool as a cucumber, elite QBs audible into successful plays to cover for their line's susceptibilities. And most importantly, they complete passes to covered receivers who most QBs wouldn't even throw to.

In history, it's a lot rarer for the offensive line to make the offense dominate than it is for the QB to make the offense dominate.

This isnt on the topic of anything but does anyone have a link to the Inside the Redskins edition "Meeting the coaches". The coaches were suppose to talk in length about some of their philosophies but since i dont live in the area, it obv. wasnt on my television station. can anyone help?

Well just to put it out there, Bill Polian blamed the o-line and ST's for losing the SB. And if Bradford or Clausen are Peyton Manning, draft one. Peyton is being touted as the best QB to ever play the game so they would have some pretty big shoes to fill. If Jake Locker would have come out, it's very possible he would be the #1 pick this year, not Bradford or Clausen. The argument seems to be if we don't get a QB at #4 this year, we won't be in position to get a top one next year. I would assume that's because the thought is our record is going to be better....even without a new QB. Schneed is right, not many teams won the same way the Redskins did. I just think the first round, especially this high, is much more hit or miss as far as Franchise QB's go compared to offensive linemen. Now I'm not talking about starters, we have a first round starter. The argument is for FRANCHISE QB's. Franchise QB's can take many picks and years to find, or you may hit one after the first round like Brady, Brees, Favre, or Warner. None of whom were selected in the first round. THOSE guys are true Franchise QB's and will be going to the HOF. It's a hard call. I really like Bradford, but I'm tired of trying to catch lightning in a bottle with FA's, UDFA's, guys off the street and 3rd round picks for our o-line. It may take time, but draft o-line high and you can have a dominant line.

This isnt on the topic of anything but does anyone have a link to the Inside the Redskins edition "Meeting the coaches". The coaches were suppose to talk in length about some of their philosophies but since i dont live in the area, it obv. wasnt on my television station. can anyone help?
Hey, I did watch it, but they had all 11 coaches on in a half hour, there want much philosophy talked about. The TE coach interview was [paraphrased] its great to coach 2 top tight ends like cooley and davis right? Yes I have watched cooley a lot because tony gonzalez would always watch him. Cool to know but not very substantive. They all were one to two sentence clips. I think haslett and shanahan said more but still nothing substantive.

Well just to put it out there, Bill Polian blamed the o-line and ST's for losing the SB. And if Bradford or Clausen are Peyton Manning, draft one. Peyton is being touted as the best QB to ever play the game so they would have some pretty big shoes to fill. If Jake Locker would have come out, it's very possible he would be the #1 pick this year, not Bradford or Clausen. The argument seems to be if we don't get a QB at #4 this year, we won't be in position to get a top one next year. I would assume that's because the thought is our record is going to be better....even without a new QB. Schneed is right, not many teams won the same way the Redskins did. I just think the first round, especially this high, is much more hit or miss as far as Franchise QB's go compared to offensive linemen. Now I'm not talking about starters, we have a first round starter. The argument is for FRANCHISE QB's. Franchise QB's can take many picks and years to find, or you may hit one after the first round like Brady, Brees, Favre, or Warner. None of whom were selected in the first round. THOSE guys are true Franchise QB's and will be going to the HOF. It's a hard call. I really like Bradford, but I'm tired of trying to catch lightning in a bottle with FA's, UDFA's, guys off the street and 3rd round picks for our o-line. It may take time, but draft o-line high and you can have a dominant line.

I can't argue with the logic too fervently, simply because LTs are incredibly important. Not quite as important as the QB, which is why I prefer going for the gusto and grabbing one if you think they're a star in the making. But getting a franchise LT is critical to future success and I can't say I'd be upset with a decision to go with Okung.

But it should be noted that Chris Samuels has not announced his retirement yet. He's older and will need replacing soon even if he doesn't retire, so maybe it doesn't change things all that much. But if before the draft he announces that he's still playing, that's all the more reason to go QB.

I can't argue with the logic too fervently, simply because LTs are incredibly important. Not quite as important as the QB, which is why I prefer going for the gusto and grabbing one if you think they're a star in the making. But getting a franchise LT is critical to future success and I can't say I'd be upset with a decision to go with Okung.

But it should be noted that Chris Samuels has not announced his retirement yet. He's older and will need replacing soon even if he doesn't retire, so maybe it doesn't change things all that much. But if before the draft he announces that he's still playing, that's all the more reason to go QB.

As much as I like and respect Samuels, at really hope it doesn't come to this. Barring a miracle, Samuels is not going to be 100% especially with the whole danger of being paralyzed.

As much as I like and respect Samuels, at really hope it doesn't come to this. Barring a miracle, Samuels is not going to be 100% especially with the whole danger of being paralyzed.

I agree, the guy hasn't even lived half his life yet. To risk it in the way he would most likely have to, it defies logic.

Thanx CRedskinsRule. Damn tho, they made it seem like this big production like it was gonna get really in-depth n stuff. Bullshit lol