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freddyg12 02-03-2010, 01:45 PM I would love for CP to come back, practice, be quiet & earn his rep. back. Don't know that he's capable of it though.
CP has gone from blunt (calling out JC) to now being aggressively passive-aggressive. Has he ever just said in an interview that HE needs to improve?
That line about "going sideways" but when Ladell came in the game they called north-south plays. That sums it up, he can't even just shut up when it's obvious that someone is better than him.
CP ran "sideways" because he would run into blockers at the line then look for a hole. This year he gave new meaning to the term "home run hitter" being used in football, because he was always missing the holes.
Beneil (diehard since 87) 02-03-2010, 03:16 PM The funny thing is that when i heard CP's statements, i really didn't think they were harsh at all. One of my favorite things about JC is that he doesn't let things effect him. From trade rumors to being one of the most hit and sacked QBs this year behind a bad line, from being benched for a crappy career back-up to having Cooley say he needs more balls and HIS OWN ORGANIZATION going for Cutler (who was horrible this year) and almost going for one of the rookies in the draft. Through all that, he didn't have any mean comments, vengeful statements, or bad behavior. I'm not rating his PLAY, i'm rating his character. He is NOT the "Rah Rah" QB that gives big speeches and grabs you by the facemask to chew you out after a dropped pass. That's how i interpreted CP's comments. I mean it's not like he said, "Jason is a big ole chup and everyone walks over him! Hope he get's fired. BRING ON COLT!"
Oh, and is it normal for an administrator on a Redskins site to use a different team icon? Just curious...
Slingin Sammy 33 02-03-2010, 03:24 PM this is what i dont understand. CP is set to make over 10 mil / year for the next 3 years. if we cut him this year, his guaranteed money owed for the next 3 years will be absorbed in 2010 and he will not effect our cap past 2010.
the only downside is that dan snyder is going to have to pay a ton of money to CP this year for a player not even on our team. thats what i think gtripp was referring to i think. the benefit is CP's contract will be cleared off the books after 2010, when there will be a cap.
dont confuse CP still getting paid by dan snyder and CP's pay effecting the cap. there are two options as i see it:
1) cut CP in uncapped year, have all of his future guaranteed money paid in 2010 and he is off the books after that. sucks for dan snyder to have to pay all that money in 2010 to a player not on your team but maybe dan snyder and vinny shouldnt have restructured CPs contract so many times by converting future salary (unguarnateed) into future guaranteed money but atleast we added some cap space in '07, right.
2) dont cut CP, pay him over 10 mil for the next 3 years. this wouldnt be a problem this year with no cap but if the cap comes back in 2011 and 2012, do you really want to pay portis over 10 mil 2-3 years from now? with it counting against the cap? when you could have just taken a large hit to dan snyders pocket in the uncapped year and be done with it?Based on the Warpath Cap Sheets, Portis is scheduled to make $ 10.1M in salary this year (I believe it's about 7.9M in salary and a roster bonus of $ 2.1M). If he's cut before the roster bonus is due, he would have been an $ 8.4M cap penalty. The net cap savings of cutting Portis would have been $ 1.7M.
In an uncapped year there are no cap penalties, so cutting Portis saves $ 10.1M of salary. As far as I know Portis was already paid all his signing bonus money and has nothing else guaranteed.
If I'm missing something, I'm sure one of our cap folks will let us know.
For SB week, sure why not? Why do you care?
53Fan 02-03-2010, 03:34 PM Based on the Warpath Cap Sheets, Portis is scheduled to make $ 10.1M in salary this year (I believe it's about 7.9M in salary and a roster bonus of $ 2.1M). If he's cut before the roster bonus is due, he would have been an $ 8.4M cap penalty. The net cap savings of cutting Portis would have been $ 1.7M.
In an uncapped year there are no cap penalties, so cutting Portis saves $ 10.1M of salary. As far as I know Portis was already paid all his signing bonus money and has nothing else guaranteed.
If I'm missing something, I'm sure one of our cap folks will let us know.
If this is true, and I suspect it is, Portis has his work cut out for him. WalterFootball has Javid Best dropping to us in the second round. That would be worth considering if he does.
Lotus 02-03-2010, 03:43 PM ^ I will leap for joy if we get Jahvid Best. Quick and agile, he could thrive in Shanny's one-cut system. And with his speed, he could give us a real home run threat.
SolidSnake84 02-03-2010, 03:45 PM Oh, and is it normal for an administrator on a Redskins site to use a different team icon? Just curious...
We are able to use anybody's team icon that we want here. If you scroll through all the available ones, there are many different teams available...
over the mountain 02-03-2010, 04:20 PM As far as I know Portis was already paid all his signing bonus money and has nothing else guaranteed.
If I'm missing something, I'm sure one of our cap folks will let us know.
after your post a did a good bit of reading.
CP is guaranteed roughly 9.8 mil in 2010. guaranteed approx. 2.3ish mil in 2011 and 2012.
if we cut CP now, he will be owed approx. 15 mil (9.8ish + 2.3ish + 2.3ish + a 2010 roster bous of approx 500k). but he is off the books for 2011 and 2012.
also the skins cleverly did an "off set" clause in CPs renegotiated contract which means that if CP is cut, the money owed to him from the skins is reduced ( a percent, not dollar for dollar) if he signs with another team.
the skins were also smart to take that 9.8 mil signing bonus on in 2010, which they correctly predicted was going to be an uncapped year.
if CP is cut in 2011 or 2012; we go back to the normal equation of (salary - guar = cap space saved). so 8 mil - 2.3 mil = cap savings of 5.7mil.
in conclusion, cutting CP now will save us approx 2.3 mil per year in cap space for 2011 and 2012 vs just keeping the man for 1 more year and dan snyder gets something in return for his money in 2010.
with that off set clause, it might just be worth it to keep him next year, run him hard and see if he can turn things around.
if he sucks or doesnt change his approach, cut him after 2010 and all we lost out on is 2.3 mil extra in cap savings which would be off set by any other team signing him.
Mechanix544 02-03-2010, 07:25 PM Clinton Portis does have one thing going for him.
He is tough, and like him or not, when he is on the field, he plays his heart out and never backs down from a LB blitzing from the corner. I love that about him. Now, the past 2 1/2 years, EVERYONE on the roster has been way too relaxed. Not enough fire in them, and they are not practicing hard, packing on the lbs., yada yada yada, and I do agree with those comments. But, that being said, overall, CP is a damn good redskin, and I think he deserves a shot at getting himself back into elite form with his former coach and former system that treated him so well back at Mile High. He deserves this season. Lets all get behind him, but for damn sure, you dont want to get in front of him, he will run right into your back, lol.!!!!!!
tryfuhl 02-03-2010, 07:44 PM If this is true, and I suspect it is, Portis has his work cut out for him. WalterFootball has Javid Best dropping to us in the second round. That would be worth considering if he does.
that would be awesome
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