Prospects for Shanahans offense/Hasletts 3-4 D

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mredskins
02-01-2010, 04:10 PM
Am I the only one here that speed reads the title of this thread and instantly thinks it is about boobs. LOL!

DIE-NASTY
02-01-2010, 04:24 PM
if/when the cap is reinstated, teams would probably just be fined in some way (hopefully just cash and not draft picks) for being out of compliance. i mean, i don't see how the NFL could force teams to cut players to get under a cap in a CBA that wasn't in existence when the players were signed.

ideally, i'd like to see us use the majority (if not all) of our draft picks this year to focus on offense. defensively, we already have a few players who can help us in a 3-4. There should be quite a few free agents who could help us there. in 2011, we can then draft some guys for added depth on defense.

on a side note, if we do switch to a 3-4, would Orakpo have to change his jersey number since he would be a full-time LB?

Armstead worn 98.

BigHairedAristocrat
02-01-2010, 04:32 PM
I read the article a few days ago when Jason Reid put it on Insider.

Still leaves the question whether AH's heart would really be in playing nose tackle... (although the "stunting nose tackle" action seems to fit him well -- for a couple of plays at a time, of course)

Would there be a problem of Wilfork and AH playing side by side? (other than the cost, of course:)

The #1 player our team needs if we switch to a 3-4 is a NT. Sure, AH could play NT, but it would be a horrible waste of his talent. from everything i've read, AH would be best used as a DE in a 3-4 defense. Wilfork is your prototypical NT. i'm nowhere near an expert, but i dont see how there would be any problem with having these two play side-by-side.

GTripp0012
02-01-2010, 07:16 PM
The #1 player our team needs if we switch to a 3-4 is a NT. Sure, AH could play NT, but it would be a horrible waste of his talent. from everything i've read, AH would be best used as a DE in a 3-4 defense. Wilfork is your prototypical NT. i'm nowhere near an expert, but i dont see how there would be any problem with having these two play side-by-side.Why would be playing a great player at a critical position be a terrible waste of his talent?

Dallas plays a one-gap 3-4 system which is easily transferrable into a 4-3 or 4-2-5, and Jay Ratliff, one of the best three DTs in the game, plays the nose for them. He's not out there eating up three gaps with pure size, but he is controlling multiple gaps and playing his game in the backfield.

If Dallas moved Ratliff to the 5-techinque, he'd probably do just fine there, but he'd be further away from the football and playing the run more directly based on positioning, and probably wouldn't have quite the same effect on the game. Ratliff was a superstar on that defense before DeMarcus Ware was a complete player, and before Marcus Spears, Mike Jenkins, and Anthony Spencer all broke out. But he only got a chance because Dallas wasn't afraid to put him in a spot where, traditionally, the NT is a little bigger. Not that he's some twig out there at 305.

Haynesworth is absolutely athletic enough to play a 5-technique in the 3-4, but he certainly projects as a nose tackle, independent to the talent around him. I'm sure he'd play both in any 3-4 alignment, but it's not like this team has a great need for a superstar backup NT. Any old vet would fill a gap just fine. And then you could get someone cheap in the 5th round to split time. Not a big investment, but you're using what you have instead of overspending.

The nose tackle/defensive tackle market is really deep this year, and the draft might be even deeper. Locking into Wilfork against everything would be ignoring the market conditions to the 100th power, but more importantly, would be the epitomy of telling the other 31 (30?) owners that we'd be uninterested in ever playing with a cap again, since we can support a 300 million dollar payroll, and they (mostly) can't.

MTK
02-01-2010, 07:32 PM
Going after Wilfork when we already have enough capable d-lineman would be extreme overkill.

HugeMonkFan
02-01-2010, 09:25 PM
Going after Wilfork when we already have enough capable d-lineman would be extreme overkill.

i agree i would rather see us go after Peppers and then sure up our offense in the draft. the only possitions i could say maybe look at are lb depth since we will be going to a 3-4 and some CB help. the rest BETTER be offensive help. i hope to see us take a lineman [read: Okung] with the number 4 pick over Bradford...i am not sold on that kid. we can wait and get someone like Kafka. Im fine with giving JC his shot and letting the rook hold the clipboard until they feel he is ready or if JC is really just struggling.

Pocket$ $traight
02-01-2010, 11:00 PM
I think getting Wilfork would be a waste of money but I would have no problem with Peppers. I have no problem paying unique players big money. Peppers is arguably the best pure athlete in the NFL. Carolina used to split him out as a reciever every now and then. Billy Packer questioned whether he was the best two way athlete in NCAA history. He played basketball as a hobby and would easily have been a first round pick.



The guy is absolutely a freak of nature. Also, I heard rumors he wanted to go to Dallas. I really don't want to see that...

CultBrennan59
02-02-2010, 12:30 AM
I think getting Wilfork would be a waste of money but I would have no problem with Peppers. I have no problem paying unique players big money. Peppers is arguably the best pure athlete in the NFL. Carolina used to split him out as a reciever every now and then. Billy Packer questioned whether he was the best two way athlete in NCAA history. He played basketball as a hobby and would easily have been a first round pick.



The guy is absolutely a freak of nature. Also, I heard rumors he wanted to go to Dallas. I really don't want to see that...

They have spencer and of course ware, don't worry I highly highly doubt it would happen

SBXVII
02-02-2010, 01:28 AM
Some people are suggesting on other boards going after defense in FA and pick up offense in the draft. Peppers being one of the names thrown around. Go look at other teams sites also and you'll see the same comments seen here....."We gotta get Peppers", "Peppers would make us a whole lot better", "We need Peppers." LOL.
The Texans need to go after Peppers ASAP - Houston Texans Message Boards (http://boards.houstontexans.com/showthread.php?t=16511)

Here's some FA/RFA OT's:
Scout.com: 2010 NFL Free Agency OT Rankings (http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=9&c=12&yr=2010&nid=83&lnid=83&rc=16&pid=3)

FA/RFA OG's:
Scout.com: 2010 NFL Free Agency OG Rankings (http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=9&c=12&yr=2010&nid=83&lnid=83&rc=16&pid=6)

C's:
Scout.com: 2010 NFL Free Agency C Rankings (http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=9&c=12&yr=2010&nid=83&lnid=83&rc=16&pid=9)

I know we don't need any WR's, but I can't help wondering since there is no CAP and if we shed some big contracts what Antonio Bryant and Kevin Walter would look like on this team? I'd get rid of ARE and possibly Moss. Why not get younger here also since we are talking about it at RB? Could you see Bryant, Walter, Thomas, Kelly, Mitchell? I could. Both Bryant and Walter worked with Kyle Shanahan in the past. Plus he knows what they can do.

53Fan
02-02-2010, 06:57 AM
^ And the top ranked FA QB? Drum roll please...........Jason Campbell! Someone tell me again why we should draft a QB with our #4 pick instead of Russell Okung?

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