Bradford/Clausen now split among Mock Drafts

I see where ur goin wit this man but think about if we go by BPA (best player available). What if in EVERY round the BPA is better than the top Olineman left. Then we end up with the same line as last year. Due to just how terrible our line is, even if we hafta take a small reach, we hafta change the line from last year.Exactly. That's the point. The logic fail, in my eyes, is that the second round (37th overall) is being viewed as a sufficient time to start addressing needs at the expense of potential draft values. That's the point of desperation in the eyes of many.

And you can draw the desperation line there. Maybe we don't need to look exclusively at tackles at No. 4. This is a logical position. But I don't understand what makes the second round the holy-grail-of-crap-we-haven't-drafted-a-tackle-in-five-years.

You've framed it perfectly: at some point it becomes completely preposterous that you wouldn't draft a quality lineman no matter who is available as a draft steal. For a lot of people, I think that point is going to be in the second round of this upcoming draft. For me, that point was October, 2009. And neither of those perspectives is more or less "right" than the person whose threshold for not drafting a tackle is out in 2012.

I just think people are going to be pissed if they have to watch more awful Redskins line play in 2010. I'm going to be pissed if I watch another unit that I know is not as good as it should be at this point.

I hear what you're saying and if I were more convinced on McCoy I'd probably agree with you more than I currently do. If Bradford would have stayed healthy this year he would probably be the unquestioned #1 pick coming into the draft. If we believe that his shoulder is healthy then him at #4 is a steal. McCoy seems to have either slipped or remained stagnant in the evaluations of him as a pro QB during the '09 CFB season. I think he can be a DECENT QB but I don't get 'star' when I watch him. Bradford reminds me of Carson Palmer when he came out. Who is your McCoy comparison?The #1 McCoy comparison is Chad Pennington.

There isn't really a close No. 2, but Brian Brohm is up there as a comparable who just didn't pan out. Graham Harrell is another strong college comparable, but I don't think we're ever going to have an NFL projection for him, despite my personal objections. I had a second round grade on Harrell, and he never even got a contract with an NFL team.

Clausen projects as some mix of Campbell, Matt Leinart, Roethlisberger, and Aaron Rodgers, though probably closer to Campbell in the yards per attempt category (and sack rate, to his credit...the other three seem to sense pressure and move into it).

I really don't have a very good Bradford comparable at all. Statistically, Roethlisberger is a lot closer than anyone else (Leinart is right behind him), but those two are very, very different players. And a lot of Big Ben's college stats would not have predicted his NFL success. He's just a really weird draft comparable in general, mostly because if you told me a guy would be "the next Roethlisberger", I would probably pass.

You're also going to get Brees' name thrown around because of his recent success and spread-offenseness. All three (McCoy, Bradford, and Clausen) have elements of Brees in their games, but again, if we're talking about draft profiles, none of these players are anywhere near Brees. I think he's on McCoy's top seven mostly for a similar number of college starts, but anyone out of the top three I would estimate has little to no predictive value (not that my system is proven anyway, so take it all with a grain of salt). Brees is also a much different player than when he came into the league.

The power of perception is ridiculous. i know everyone likes to have an opinion and stand by it. But be honest, since the end of season/mock drafts/espn/profootballtalk etc. has anyone kept one solid vision for this QB situation?

This has been hard for me. When everything started i said we need an OT @ #4. Gimmie Okung! Im a Colt Brennan supporter so i figured he could battle in camp again and hopefully beat out Jason Campbell for the spot. Being a CB supporter, you get alot of shit on this board. And even through all that shit, i stood strong. Then the 1st Mock Draft came out.

SAM BRADFORD TO THE REDSKINS says Mel Kiper! So now i get down because my big Colt Brennan plan isnt workin out how i wanted it to. Okay no biggie, ill check out film on him. Did sum research, very accurate, prototypical size (cuz hes added weight), is very smart with the football. despite his cons, Injury (not nearly as bad as drew brees's) and spread offense (but played a pro offense freshmen year), i liked what i saw and convinced myself that if we got bradford, id be okay with it.

JIMMY CLAUSEN TO THE SKINS says Mel Kiper! What the hell? What the hell could have happened that propelled Jimmy Clausen higher than Sam Bradford? So i go and look at tape, also accurate, extremely competitive, pro style offense for 3 years, threw 28 td's and 4 int's behing a bad Oline. Now despite his flaws, weaker arm and maturity issues, i convinced myself, that if we Draft Jimmy Clausen id be okay with it.

Now when i researched bradford and compared him to clausen, i liked bradford more. And when i researched clausen and compared him to bradford, i liked clausen more. When i clamored for Brennan, i spoke about the "IT" factor. So when comparing the two QB's, i realized there are TWO different types of IT factor. Theres the Peyton Manning IT factor (smart, lead by example, support your team) and theres the Phillip Rivers IT factor (Big RAH RAH guy, attitude, big voice, celebrates) Bradford looks to have the Manning factor while Clausen looks to have the Rivers factor. But at the same time, i would put Jason Campbell in the Manning IT factor failures and i would put Ryan Leaf in the Rivers IT factor failures. So nothing is guaranteed.

And now someone mentioned today that Kyle Shanahan likes Colt Brennan and his attitude/what he brings to the table. It may or may not even be true but it made me realize how far i had let other opinions influence how i felt. So after that whirlwind of opinions, imma go back to hoping Brennan comes out our starter and we grab Okung or Davis with the #4 pick (whoever is rated better) Perception is everything and i trust Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan to do what is right for the Washington Redskins. HTTR!

The power of perception is ridiculous. i know everyone likes to have an opinion and stand by it. But be honest, since the end of season/mock drafts/espn/profootballtalk etc. has anyone kept one solid vision for this QB situation?
Yes. :)

And I sure as hell hope the FO has.

The power of perception is ridiculous. i know everyone likes to have an opinion and stand by it. But be honest, since the end of season/mock drafts/espn/profootballtalk etc. has anyone kept one solid vision for this QB situation?

This has been hard for me. When everything started i said we need an OT @ #4. Gimmie Okung! Im a Colt Brennan supporter so i figured he could battle in camp again and hopefully beat out Jason Campbell for the spot. Being a CB supporter, you get alot of shit on this board. And even through all that shit, i stood strong. Then the 1st Mock Draft came out.

SAM BRADFORD TO THE REDSKINS says Mel Kiper! So now i get down because my big Colt Brennan plan isnt workin out how i wanted it to. Okay no biggie, ill check out film on him. Did sum research, very accurate, prototypical size (cuz hes added weight), is very smart with the football. despite his cons, Injury (not nearly as bad as drew brees's) and spread offense (but played a pro offense freshmen year), i liked what i saw and convinced myself that if we got bradford, id be okay with it.

JIMMY CLAUSEN TO THE SKINS says Mel Kiper! What the hell? What the hell could have happened that propelled Jimmy Clausen higher than Sam Bradford? So i go and look at tape, also accurate, extremely competitive, pro style offense for 3 years, threw 28 td's and 4 int's behing a bad Oline. Now despite his flaws, weaker arm and maturity issues, i convinced myself, that if we Draft Jimmy Clausen id be okay with it.

Now when i researched bradford and compared him to clausen, i liked bradford more. And when i researched clausen and compared him to bradford, i liked clausen more. When i clamored for Brennan, i spoke about the "IT" factor. So when comparing the two QB's, i realized there are TWO different types of IT factor. Theres the Peyton Manning IT factor (smart, lead by example, support your team) and theres the Phillip Rivers IT factor (Big RAH RAH guy, attitude, big voice, celebrates) Bradford looks to have the Manning factor while Clausen looks to have the Rivers factor. But at the same time, i would put Jason Campbell in the Manning IT factor failures and i would put Ryan Leaf in the Rivers IT factor failures. So nothing is guaranteed.

And now someone mentioned today that Kyle Shanahan likes Colt Brennan and his attitude/what he brings to the table. It may or may not even be true but it made me realize how far i had let other opinions influence how i felt. So after that whirlwind of opinions, imma go back to hoping Brennan comes out our starter and we grab Okung or Davis with the #4 pick (whoever is rated better) Perception is everything and i trust Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan to do what is right for the Washington Redskins. HTTR!


Where did you copy this from?

Where did you copy this from?

I didnt copy it man i wrote it. Ive prolly been puttin in as much time as Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan this offseason but i dont get paid lol sad insight to my life.

-Haz

I didnt copy it man i wrote it. Ive prolly been puttin in as much time as Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan this offseason but i dont get paid lol sad insight to my life.

-Haz


Just interesting how your grammar and level of vocabulary became so good for one post, now it looks like from this post you are back to your old tricks. Just interesting.

Just interesting how your grammar and level of vocabulary became so good for one post, now it looks like from this post you are back to your old tricks. Just interesting.
it's more likely to start typing closer to properly when putting together a substantial post

there were still plenty of "gimmie" "alot" "ill (instead of I'll)"

it's more likely to start typing closer to properly when putting together a substantial post

there were still plenty of "gimmie" "alot" "ill (instead of I'll)"


Regardless anyone who lumps Ryan Leaf into the same talent pool or "IT" factor if you will with Phillip Rivers, sure is a football guru.

Eyes rolling...

Last time I checked, this was a football forum and not an english class. Are you so bored with this forum that you must post about others spelling instead of football? I never claimed to be a guru. Sure, you can look at Ryan Leaf now and say "wow, he sucked." But at the time he came out in the draft, they said he had an IT factor. They said he had an attitude but was more NFL ready than Manning. That's why there was a controversy about who would be the 1st overall pick. So don't act all "haha he doesn't know anything about football because he is comparing Ryan Leaf to Phillip River hahaha." It was an observation.